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Herr Brackhaus

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« Reply #45 on: <02-08-16/1348:19> »
I don't know where you're getting your info from, Joe, but check the 6th World Almanac. Mr. Rainier is just where it's supposed to be.

And canon includes ret-cons; just because something was a certain way in 1st Edition does not mean it's always going to remain canon. If Mr. Rainier was south-west of Seattle in 1st Edition, it's possible that it was just a mistake that has since been retconned.

MijRai

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« Reply #46 on: <02-08-16/1416:42> »
So...  Somebody not fixing the direction used when referencing a landmark is 'bad canon?' 
Would you want to go into a place where the resident had a drum-fed shotgun and can see in the dark?

CitizenJoe

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« Reply #47 on: <02-08-16/1428:50> »
Look up the Sinserach tribe of the Salish-Shidhe Council. Their lands are southwest of Seattle including Mt. Rainier.

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« Reply #48 on: <02-08-16/1432:55> »
Look up the Sinserach tribe of the Salish-Shidhe Council. Their lands are southwest of Seattle including Mt. Rainier.
Look up where? What book specifically are you referencing here?

Moonshine Fox

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« Reply #49 on: <02-08-16/1517:40> »
Look up the Sinserach tribe of the Salish-Shidhe Council. Their lands are southwest of Seattle including Mt. Rainier.

Um, from Seattle 2072 page 14.
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CitizenJoe

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« Reply #50 on: <02-08-16/1629:45> »
Look up the Sinserach tribe of the Salish-Shidhe Council. Their lands are southwest of Seattle including Mt. Rainier.
Look up where? What book specifically are you referencing here?
Take your pick.  Anywhere the Sinserach are described they are in the southwest including Mt. Rainier.

I'm not saying it is actually to the SW, just that it is an example of printed word being clearly wrong.  However, that introduces another problem.  The Cascade Orks are canonically listed as being in the Cascades north of I-90. The Orks of Carbonado are canonically listed as having secret tunnels across the border into Cascade Ork lands... that's 50km away.

The Satsop nuclear power plant was in Satsop, 40 km west of Olympia. The Trojan nuclear power plant was on the Columbia River near Rainier.  This was a major canonical milestone and it wasn't anywhere near Glow City.

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« Reply #51 on: <02-08-16/1633:30> »
Not only are you not making much sense, Joe, you're also nitpicking to the point of appearing pedantic. Since you can't or won't quote any actual sources for this perceived discrepancy, coupled with the fact that this discussion is departing further and further away from Horrors, I'll just say have a good one, mate.

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« Reply #52 on: <02-08-16/1643:10> »
I'm giving examples of canon being wrong. 

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« Reply #53 on: <02-08-16/1718:01> »
You have not provided one concrete example. Quote book and page and people will respect your side. As it is, you're just saying things were wrong "anywhere you look" but not providing an anywhere.

Moonshine Fox

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« Reply #54 on: <02-08-16/1732:45> »
I'm giving examples of canon being wrong.

You mean a 30 year story world written by dozens of people has some errors in it, Ghost forbid! *poses in shocked surprise*

Start quoting book pages and examples and we'll give your words more credit. It's simple.

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« Reply #55 on: <02-08-16/1806:02> »
Which of my assertions are you claiming to be incorrect?

And when I do produce those pages, are you just going to say there's no true Scotsman?   Because I'm not going to bother if you're just going to move the goal posts.
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« Reply #56 on: <02-08-16/1810:34> »
Which of my assertions are you claiming to be incorrect?

At this time, I am claiming that none of them are. I am claiming that all of them contained in the following post are unsourced and therefore cannot be taken at face value. The whole post needs citation for me to be able to take it seriously.

Take your pick.  Anywhere the Sinserach are described they are in the southwest including Mt. Rainier.

I'm not saying it is actually to the SW, just that it is an example of printed word being clearly wrong.  However, that introduces another problem.  The Cascade Orks are canonically listed as being in the Cascades north of I-90. The Orks of Carbonado are canonically listed as having secret tunnels across the border into Cascade Ork lands... that's 50km away.

The Satsop nuclear power plant was in Satsop, 40 km west of Olympia. The Trojan nuclear power plant was on the Columbia River near Rainier.  This was a major canonical milestone and it wasn't anywhere near Glow City.

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« Reply #57 on: <02-08-16/1836:47> »
I'm away from books but let me direct you to online sources. 

Trojan-Satsop http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Glow_City

Actual Satsop plant
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNP-3_and_WNP-5

Actual Trojan plant https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Nuclear_Power_Plant

The Cascade Orks north of I-90 is in New Seattle (p.10) as is Carbonado (p. 90).  Google maps can get you a distance. 

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« Reply #58 on: <02-08-16/2015:12> »
Or it is a part of where Shadowrun history diverged from 'real' history.  Some buildings or roads were built (or rebuilt) elsewhere. 

Oh no, that can't happen!  They can't get a couple minor distances and directions off, the world must be ending. 
Would you want to go into a place where the resident had a drum-fed shotgun and can see in the dark?

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« Reply #59 on: <02-08-16/2028:00> »
You realize that modern day real world information can't be converted over 100% to a fictional world that diverged, at minimum, 18 years ago, and possibly longer depending on any pre-awakening, pre-corp extraterritoriality divergences. I'm pretty sure we don't have Harlequin walking around the length of the 5th age mucking with things like he and other immortals did in the Shadowrun universe.

Roads and crap in Seattle and Washington state in general are far different now then they will be 60 years from now in the 2070, especially when you factor magic and corps into the mix.