[Rift_0f_Bladz]

But MijRai, Shedim just want hugs, DAMN IT!! (Also 100% sarcastic)

Well, that was so far off topic, but I did learn something:

If the author of a game setting get a few locations off actual real world locations, because either mistake or men close enough/alternate reality with magic, it invalidates all other parts of canon, like say the awakening happened in 2012 (hey it didn't so canon must be wrong), what malevolent means, and whole host of other things. Yup, good day for education.

[Reaver]

Point out that many of the books CJ quoted as having geographic errors are also 'pre-internet'. For you younger folks out there, there was a time before 'google' or wikipedia, back when fact checking took days... and even then could be wrong....

So yea, things might be a little off in a book published pre-2000s , and that's to be expected. And happens in EVERY game published by EVERY development house.

Palladium: thinks Calgary shares a border with Montana (they are infact about 1200km apart)

White Wolf: Thinks Vancouver is next to Tacoma. (Missing a few cities... and 600 km..)

SJG: Montreal is in Ontario. (NO! Montreal is in Quebec!)

All of those are from pre-2000 published books. Do those errors invalidate all canon for their respective series?

[Herr Brackhaus]

SJG: Montreal is in Ontario. (NO! Montreal is in Quebec!)

I smell a Canadian in the room. Go Flames!

[Reaver]

SJG: Montreal is in Ontario. (NO! Montreal is in Quebec!)

I smell a Canadian in the room. Go Flames!

Was the aroma of beaver, maple syrup, and hockey pucks?

[Sendaz]

Palladium: thinks Calgary shares a border with Montana (they are infact about 1200km apart)

White Wolf: Thinks Vancouver is next to Tacoma. (Missing a few cities... and 600 km..)

SJG: Montreal is in Ontario. (NO! Montreal is in Quebec!)

All of those are from pre-2000 published books. Do those errors invalidate all canon for their respective series?

In Palladium's case: Yes, all of it. Glitter Boys never happened.

White Wolf: Wait, they have canon?  Someone needs to tell WW.

SJG: Back in 2000 edit: 1995 Sean Punch was took over as the GURPS line editor and actually lives in Montreal so either a) he should have known better or b) he really, really wanted Montreal to be in a different Province than Quebec and could fulfil that wish via the game

SJG: Montreal is in Ontario. (NO! Montreal is in Quebec!)

I smell a Canadian in the room. Go Flames!

Was the aroma of beaver, maple syrup, and hockey pucks?

Think I saw that once at a Canadian Gentlemen's Club.

Hat trick indeed....

[CitizenJoe]

I wasn't being an apologist for Shedim.  I was suggesting that the bad ones were called Shedim.  I was also suggesting that there are far worse fates than death. I also presupposed that the good ones would go unnoticed.  That doesn't mean that good ones do exist.  The more important take away is that we don't know enough about them to fill out a forum on their ecology.

On a more meta level, I suggested that they are the zombies of Shadowrun, replacing ghouls after ghouls became a playable race.  By zombie I mean a trope that allows you to gun down friends and family without moral qualms because their spirits are gone.

[MijRai]

No, you were blatantly being a Shedim apologist in multiple threads, arguing that we just haven't met the good ones or that they're just misunderstood when the books explicitly explain in the out-of-character GM section that they are malevolent beings who only mean harm.  We actually do know enough about them to speak on their ecology.

As far as the meta-level goes, I don't think ghouls have ever been in the mindless threat trope.  I mean, Bug City went down with an entire neighborhood of ghouls campaigning for rights in the area, and that was early on.  Though, that doesn't stop people from arguing the spirit is gone and going on Infected hunts. 

[Rift_0f_Bladz]

SJG: Montreal is in Ontario. (NO! Montreal is in Quebec!)

I smell a Canadian in the room. Go Flames!

Was the aroma of beaver, maple syrup, and hockey pucks?

All soaked in beer. It was the beer that gave it away for me.

[Reaver]

SJG: Montreal is in Ontario. (NO! Montreal is in Quebec!)

I smell a Canadian in the room. Go Flames!

Was the aroma of beaver, maple syrup, and hockey pucks?

All soaked in beer. It was the beer that gave it away for me.

Oh, you mean 'Real Canadian's Water'. Beer goes without saying!
And with steak
And with lobster
And with french fries
And with flaplacks
And with bacon (especially bacon!)
And with toast....

Yep, beer pretty much goes with everything up here...

[Rift_0f_Bladz]

Then with most of your Canadian food options listed (plus tasty water) I would have to say I agree. Also, thread derailed, for which I am only partially sorry for.

[Sendaz]

Also, thread derailed, for which I am only partially sorry for.

It's okay, because Out of Beer = Horror?

[Rift_0f_Bladz]

Actually, that is a true statement. How a GM horrifies the party: you guys go to your favorite brew pub/dive bar only to find in out they are all out of beer and  the town has become beer free, forever! SCARY!!

[Herr Brackhaus]

You know your team is Canadian when they accept payment in hops instead of nuyen.

Though to be fair, hops may be worth their weight in gold in the future...

[Beta]

And you know your game is Canadian (well, Quebecois perhaps) if it features a run against the global strategic maple syrup reserve. 

[Dinendae]

And you know your game is Canadian (well, Quebecois perhaps) if it features a run against the global strategic maple syrup reserve.

The first time I had heard about that was in regards to the heist that happened there. I had to double-check the date, to make sure it wasn't an April Fool's Day joke. After I finished laughing, many minutes later, I finally got to read the article!