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What's wrong with the Savalette Guardian

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farfromnice

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« on: <01-30-16/2212:16> »
In Run&Gun p.33 you could read that the Savalette Guardian could only shoot in burst fire at the expance of a complexe action

that pretty absurd to have this feature when every Pistol with Semi-Automatic capability is able to do a Semi-Auto Burst at the expance of a Complexe action for the same effect

so what's the point in buying a Savalette Guardian other than brand recognition ?

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« Reply #1 on: <01-30-16/2224:01> »
Pre-errata? Long Bursts and a better understanding of fire modes.

Post-errata? Burst Fire.

farfromnice

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« Reply #2 on: <01-30-16/2341:47> »
I'm not sure to undertand your question ... was it a question ?

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« Reply #3 on: <01-31-16/0000:39> »
Prior to the errata that was released for Run and Gun, the benefit of the Complex Action BF mode was being able to use a Long Burst (which requires a weapon with BF mode and a Complex Action).

After the errata was released, the Complex action requirement was removed from the weapon.

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« Reply #4 on: <01-31-16/0449:50> »
It was one of the many copy paste issues from 4th.
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« Reply #5 on: <01-31-16/1514:26> »
Finchette (Sp) Executive Action was also fixed in that errata.
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« Reply #6 on: <01-31-16/1622:52> »
So if I Understand you well

The Savalette Guardian now have the Burst Fire for Complexe action Option

but the pistol with SA don't

right ?

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« Reply #7 on: <01-31-16/1636:00> »
No, it has normal burst fire, meaning it can do it on a simple action
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« Reply #8 on: <02-01-16/1106:37> »
it can fire both a 3 round and 6 round burst.

Semi-auto weapons can only fire a 3 round burst.

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« Reply #9 on: <02-01-16/1417:20> »
many thanks to you all

ScytheKnight

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« Reply #10 on: <02-02-16/0221:06> »
SS Pistols fire one round only as a simple action and resets recoil before their next shot.

SA Pistols fire one round as a simple action, or three rounds as a complex action. Recoil builds until reset with a non-attack acction.

SA/BF Pistols act the same as SA pistols in SA mode. In BF mode they fire three rounds as a simple action, or six rounds as a complex action. Recoils builds until reset with a non-attack action.

Helps sometimes in this game to have things spelled out plainely,
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« Reply #11 on: <02-03-16/0336:35> »
And the guardian is a SA/BF pisotl?

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« Reply #12 on: <02-03-16/0344:14> »
That, the Executive Action light pistol and probably a few more
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« Reply #13 on: <02-03-16/0758:28> »
The errata does not say that the Savalette Guardian and the Fichetti Executive are SA/BF weapons, it says that they can fire burst with a simple action.
Say otherwise, they can fire 1 or 3 rounds with a simple action, but they still cannot fire 6 rounds with a complex action as they are not real BF weapons.
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« Reply #14 on: <02-03-16/0814:32> »
Look at their modes. It says SA/BF doesn't it?
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