[Stuttrboy]

Looks like I didn't get the update this time.  I'm sure Mercy is very busy, so while I am sad, I'm very grateful for everything they do.

[Mercy Merchant]

I missed a couple of updates.  Sorry.  Real life is impacting and I sometimes do not get to everyone.  I wish I was better at it and will try to do better.  I am off to a wedding today that is about 150 miles away, so will not be back until tonight.  Sorry.

[Ennui]

We totally understand.  I'm sure we all think you are doing an awesome job and I for one thank you for all that you do.  Doesn't stop me from wanting more but you are doing a great job.  I'm sure everyone agrees.

[Imladir]

Yep, don't worry about it, it's cool

Doesn't stop me from wanting more

As all humans do no matter what the situation is. It's part of why we're so successful as a species in fact ^^

[Mercy Merchant]

OK.  I have a question raised by one of my players that I do not know the answer to.  Can I get some opinions or guidance?

By the way, when a mage loses an essence point through getting an implant, does it reduces the current magic value in addition to the maximum possible magic score, or just the maximum?

[Aria]

Both as far as I know but I couldn't point you at a page reference 

[Imladir]

By RAW, I'm pretty sure it's both, but yeah, no idea where it comes from (might just be a case of "most people do it that way/never questioned it" in fact). The only thing as far as I know regarding this in the CRB would be p52:

It also affects the Magic and Resonance attributes, as losses in Essence are reflected by losses in Magic and Resonance.

It doesn't say maximum or current however.

There's an house rule in chummer that only reduces the maximum and not the current value (as long as the maximum is higher than the current value, from initiation for example) however.
So I suppose that at least some do it that way, and that it's at least frequent for it to be included in Chummer, but how common it is, I don't know.

[Ennui]

I know in fourth ed if you went below current you burnt out, no idea in 5ed though.

[Imladir]

Ok, found this is 4th edition:

Anything that reduces a character’s Essence will also reduce Magic. For every point (or fraction thereof) of Essence lost, the character’s Magic attribute and her Magic maximum rating are reduced by one.

And from there, I found the equivalent in 5th, CRB p278:

Anything that reduces your Essence also reduces your Magic rating. For every point (or fraction thereof) of Essence lost, both your current Magic Attribute and your maximum Magic Rating are reduced by one.

And it's the same thing for Resonance by the way (CRB p250):

For every point (or fraction thereof) of Essence lost, both your current Resonance Attribute and your maximum Resonance Rating are reduced by one.

So the question becomes "Do we apply RAW, or house rule this?" ^^
By the way, I did some digging, and it looks like this house rule in Chummer is not recent, it was present at least since 4th edition.

[Mercy Merchant]

@Cynthia   First, I think we apply RAW to your question.  Second, I think you might have misread the last post.  The nurse with the tray left the room, yes, but the guard in the door just grumbled.  When I referred to the remaining nurse, I was referring to him being the remaining of the two nurses, not the only other person in the room.  The guard is still at the door.  Will that change your post?

[Imladir]

Sure, it was what I always expected to do anyway so it's no problem.
I edited my post. More dangerous than I wanted but... Fingers crossed

And good luck to Echo ^^

[Mercy Merchant]

LOL  Not too sure how much he will need with all the support that is coming.  But I need to combine threads for the fighting.  I think it best if we go to the Eva & Cynthia thread.  I will start there and see what happens.  It may even mean we are combining both threads.  We will see how this works out.

[Imladir]

I don't really understand Eva's move with the spirit though. Sure, Air spirits are the fastest of spirits, but they don't go that fast. Had it been at another hour in the center of downtown, it could have been to avoid the jams, but here, the car should go much faster. And given the probable size of the buildings, she'd have to fly over them to go faster, which would make her more visible.

Given the absence of rolls, I'll suppose that it's a Force 4 spirit. This means that its movement values are 14/28.
28m / turn translates to 33.6 km / h. If it tries to sprint, it will get an average of two successes, which means it goes up to 57.6 km / h.

The only solution I see would be to have the spirit use its movement power, then it would go up to 230 km / h. Much better (a bit too much though, you'd probably need to  have the spirit use it's guard power on you...) but it starts to be a lot and the use of the power would leave a consequent signature in the astral and effectively signalling that you're coming (as would the invisibility spell and the spirit itself in the astral anyway). If they have a mage on overwatch, it's dangerous...

[Mercy Merchant]

Yes, assuming they do not have a mage of their own might be dangerous.

[VegasRigged]

I can use movement. I can also roll if you'd prefer, and I could go for a higher spirit after I spend some of this Karma (which, can I do that right now?) and I really just don't want to arrive late for the fighting. I can fly lowish, mages wont see through the buildings.