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So about the Pueblo Corporate Council...

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Wakshaani

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« Reply #15 on: <02-29-16/0030:29> »
Here's an interesting point in that regard: Pueblos are now a minority in their own nation. Los Angeles had more people in it (barely!) than the PCC, and when you add in the Ute and teh Aztlan citizens who are now in the PCC, teh Pueblos are down to around 40% of their own country.

Which makes voting very, very interesting...

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« Reply #16 on: <02-29-16/0225:53> »
Eh. Once they recontextualized Mexicans being included in the NAN population by virtue of Aztlan being one of the NAN states during the Treaty of Denver, it made it a little easier to buy the PCC's population figures. But just in the former New Mexico territory, all of the Indians would've been outnumbered 4:1 by the Mexicans, and that Indian population is significantly Navajo. With them and more than a token amount of Apache out of the way, that would be even lower. Besides, the way Nigel wrote up the divide, it's almost like the Hopi and Zuni (Of all the Pueblos, too, why them?) became political identities rather than actual racial divides.

You know, Ghostwalker lucked out in having the country between his city and Aztlan be one filled with people that hate Aztlan and Azzies. Just me referring to us as Mexicans and not some other term would piss off some of them. And that's before you add the  "I'm Mexican (or Central American), not Aztlaner" folks like Matador (RIP).

There's a lot of stuff to play with in Pueblo. I still don't have a good grip on life in Phoenix, but I imagine there's also plenty of resentment, annoyance, *something* at being governed by the governmental C-Suite and Board of Directors way the Hell off in Santa Fe. I mean, it's not like the Board is elected by geographical districts, so it's unclear how the government operates and considers the interests of that sprawl, aside from the fact that it's fairly large and near the Aztlan border, versus a country that stretches from Boise to the California Central Valley to Denver and with a southern border running from Orange County  to Big Bend.
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« Reply #17 on: <02-29-16/0600:40> »
CAS relations
Aztlan relations
Los Angeles
Las Vegas
Mojave desert
troubles with the Ute population and Anglos
Inter tribal relations
Comanche mob
......and thats just the PCC specific Things, add in megacorps and strange magic and there's tonnes of stuff to use in a game set in the PCC

Wakshaani

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« Reply #18 on: <02-29-16/1013:36> »
Don't forget the crazy Democracy levels they have, either, where the first thing you do each morning after waking up is checking to see what you're voting on that day. *everyone* votes on *everything*, with teh results handled via the Matrix, tabulated, and released by the afternoon. Setting budgets! New laws! Repealing OLD laws! Wheee! (Not that there'd be any tweaking of the results by people in power, oh no. Perish the thought.)

Crimsondude

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« Reply #19 on: <02-29-16/1048:33> »
Don't forget the crazy Democracy levels they have, either, where the first thing you do each morning after waking up is checking to see what you're voting on that day. *everyone* votes on *everything*, with teh results handled via the Matrix, tabulated, and released by the afternoon. Setting budgets! New laws! Repealing OLD laws! Wheee! (Not that there'd be any tweaking of the results by people in power, oh no. Perish the thought.)
That was the Ute. In Pueblo, nuyen is the only thing that matters. You can literally buy votes since elections are based on the number of shares owned—like a corporation. Annual elections for the board of directors at the nation's annual meeting is all you get.

It works in a logarithmic scale, so 1 share = 1 vote, 1 million shares = 7 votes.
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« Reply #20 on: <02-29-16/1056:42> »
I wanted to point out that Ute investors could mean the Mormons of Salt Lake City.  They were quite wealthy.

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« Reply #21 on: <03-02-16/0441:24> »
I wanted to point out that Ute investors could mean the Mormons of Salt Lake City.  They were quite wealthy.

Unlikely.  The LDS enclave (basically the SLC-Provo corridor) is for all intents and purposes its own country, which has only some things handled by the nation that surrounds them and of which they are vaguely a member. 
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« Reply #22 on: <03-02-16/0949:56> »
You know that they are free traders right? That is water access into the Carribean.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past either LDS or the Pueblos to false flag Ute interests in order to get Aztlan resources and access without besmirching their name.  Also, the PCC grabbed L.A. due largely to water access.  When Horizon essentially locked down the port, opening a secondary port via the Rio Grand means that the PCC is no longer at Horizon's mercy.

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« Reply #23 on: <03-07-16/0125:49> »
It looks like I'm probably going to go with the PCC over Seattle, though it's still probably a month and a half out for that. Lots of good info here, I appreciate it.

I've been looking at the map that comes with the Alpha-Kit, and I have a few more questions.

  • Who are the dragons in Roswell and Albuquerque?
  • So what exactly happens at these Mana Hotspots? There's a few in this area
  • Any fun critters in the desert I can throw at my players for the fun of it?

Wakshaani

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« Reply #24 on: <03-07-16/0131:32> »
Roswell was where Sirrurg relocated to. Aztechnology, assisting Aztlan, cleaned that nest out around the time he was 'killed'

Alberquerque is Celadyr, but he's a tad ... busy ... at the moment. You might note how close this lair of Celadyr, the current Loremaster of the Great Dragons, is to Ghostwalker's Denver. This could prove ... problematic... at some point in time.

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« Reply #25 on: <03-07-16/0531:35> »
You know that they are free traders right? That is water access into the Carribean.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past either LDS or the Pueblos to false flag Ute interests in order to get Aztlan resources and access without besmirching their name.  Also, the PCC grabbed L.A. due largely to water access.  When Horizon essentially locked down the port, opening a secondary port via the Rio Grand means that the PCC is no longer at Horizon's mercy.
Who said PCC was ever at Horizon's mercy?

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« Reply #26 on: <03-07-16/0550:08> »
And considering the Rio Grande is essentially unnavigable over its entire length by anything but small boats ... so, nice try.

Also, investing in a country-corporation - especially to 'buy votes' - is not a wise investment strategy, especially as they have no need to influence PCC politics.  The members of the Church would put investment capital in more reliable companies.  I would also bet that there's essentially a gentlemen's agreement between them and whatever country they happen to be in the middle of, Ute or PCC - 'don't muck around in our business, and we won't muck around in yours.'
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« Reply #27 on: <03-07-16/0746:00> »

Who said PCC was ever at Horizon's mercy?
Corporate Enclave, Los Angeles section.

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« Reply #28 on: <03-07-16/0756:24> »
And considering the Rio Grande is essentially unnavigable over its entire length by anything but small boats ... so, nice try.
The army core of engineers stated that minor modifications could make it navigable to El Paso.

Aztechnology is heavy into agriculture and has canonical history with dam project up in the SSC.  They know what they are doing with rivers.  It is ridiculous to think Aztechnology did not maximize the usefulness of the Rio Grande.

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« Reply #29 on: <03-07-16/1700:26> »
The army core of engineers stated that minor modifications could make it navigable to El Paso.
...during the 1846-1847 Mexican-American War, with steamboats of the time.

Besides, if it's about the Pueblo getting sea access through Aztlan infrastructure in case Los Angeles-Long Beach would be unavailable, San Diego seems to be a much easier pick.