[GunDrake]

In shadowrun every 10+ years new metahuman and intelligent races come into existence. What races do you all want to show up?

Here is some ideas that I want to play.
Kitsune's: Metahumans that can turn a anthropomorphic foxes. Kitsunes should start out with a choice of an magic rating or an resonance rating. Kitsunes should have a chose to take an extra magical tail quality, that gives them some type of magical benefit. Up to a total of 9 tails. And awakened kitsunes have created a new magical art of paper magic. The old world of darkness kitsune book has some great examples. Kitsunes should have something similar to Naruto paper bombs, but with spells.

[Dwagonzhan]

Uh...they have those. They're called Fox Shapeshifters. They've been around at least since 3rd edition. (technically, one showed up way back in 1st edition)
And you can kind of do the paper-arts thing already using Alchemical Preparations. (with a Shinto Mage Tradition)

[Novocrane]

Yes, but GunDrake wants them to be anthropomorphic, have multiple fluffy tails, choose between resonance and magic, do Naruto style magic racially, and not be killed on sight by the other PCs / 2 weeks before the campaign by the GM.

[Dwagonzhan]

...and not be killed on sight by the other PCs / 2 weeks before the campaign by the GM.

Why, whatever do you mean? ;p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHEusBG20c

*hums* Fire...take you to burn...
Sorry, got distracted. What were we talking about?

[RowanTheFox]

Obsidimen

T'skrang (They are so much fun)

[Novocrane]

Probably never going to see those two appear officially, but that's why I'd like changeling rules that feel a little more complete.

GunDrake, consider making an aspected magician alchemist changeling.

[RowanTheFox]

Probably never going to see those two appear officially, but that's why I'd like changeling rules that feel a little more complete.

GunDrake, consider making an aspected magician alchemist changeling.

Agreed, why don't we have vestigial wings? Fully functional wings would be a nightmare from a purely anatomical POV, but vestigial ones are workable.

[Kiirnodel]

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Sounds like GunDrake is rooting for the first one, but actual folklore of kitsune follow the second. The concept of the fully furry anthropomorphic kitsune stems from the more modern animations and the like. And as others have pointed out, Fox Shifters already fill the role pretty well for the concept of Kitsune. They are foxes who can take on the form of a human, but their human form still has the fox tail, which is spot-on kitsune folklore.


I definitely agree with the idea that Obsidimen and T'skrang as actual metatypes would be awesome. Sadly, though, it probably won't happen because the Earthdawn setting isn't under the same licensing. There is a nice shout-out to T'skrang in the form of one of the Shadowrun Missions NPCs/Contacts. Simon Andrews is a full-body Changeling in the form of a giant man-lizard (See below). It would be cool to include some "ready-made" Changelings that could just be selected as metatypes. But I can't really think of any new PC style race types that aren't already covered in the rules...

[Novocrane]

I can't really think of any new PC style race types that aren't already covered in the rules...

Last check, we're still missing most of the variant Infected ...

[Reaver]

If you want to split hairs, there are technically:

3 human races
4 ork races
4 troll races
4 elf races
3 drawf races
8 base shapshifting races
6 infected races....

So that's 32 base choices before you get to nagas, pixies, sasquatch, centaurs and their ilk...

And then throw Surge into the mix!

Sounds like we have too many, as opposed to too few....

[Kiirnodel]

What's the third human subrace? Only metavariant I'm aware of is Nartaki...

By my count, there are:
Humans (2)
 - Nartaki
Dwarfs (5)
 - Gnome, Hanuman, Koborokuru, Menehune
Elves (5)
 - Dryad, Nocturna, Wakyambi, Xapiri Thepe
Orks (5)
 - Hobgoblin, Ogre, Oni, Satyr
Trolls (5)
 - Cyclopean, Fomorian, Giant, Minotaur
So that is 22 metatypes for core "humanity" variations

Plus the Metasapients: Centaur, Naga, Pixie, Sasquatch, and Shifters (of which there are 10 variations)
For another 14.

So that is a total of 36 base races before counting Infected, which is an alteration to the base race. Although it can only apply to the "human" variations plus sasquatch. So it is really only 3-4 variations of Infected (Type 1, 1a, 2, or 3)

Plus anyone can be a Changeling, but again, that is just a variation on the base race.

[Reaver]

What's the third human subrace? Only metavariant I'm aware of is Nartaki...

By my count, there are:
Humans (2)
 - Nartaki
Dwarfs (5)
 - Gnome, Hanuman, Koborokuru, Menehune
Elves (5)
 - Dryad, Nocturna, Wakyambi, Xapiri Thepe
Orks (5)
 - Hobgoblin, Ogre, Oni, Satyr
Trolls (5)
 - Cyclopean, Fomorian, Giant, Minotaur
So that is 22 metatypes for core "humanity" variations

Plus the Metasapients: Centaur, Naga, Pixie, Sasquatch, and Shifters (of which there are 10 variations)
For another 14.

So that is a total of 36 base races before counting Infected, which is an alteration to the base race. Although it can only apply to the "human" variations plus sasquatch. So it is really only 3-4 variations of Infected (Type 1, 1a, 2, or 3)

Plus anyone can be a Changeling, but again, that is just a variation on the base race.

yea I keep miscounting an elven race as human, my bad....

But, there are more then that!

TOC of run faster
DWARFs 88
Metavariant Type: Gnome 88
Metavariant Type: Hanuman 88
Metavariant Type: Koborokuru 90
Metavariant Type: Menehune 90
ORKS 91
Metavariant Type: Hobgoblin 91
Metavariant Type: Ogre 91
Metavariant Type: Oni 92
Metavariant Type: Satyr 92
TROLLS 93
Metavariant Type: Cyclops 93
Metavariant Type: Fomorian 93
Metavariant Type: Giant 94
Metavariant Type: Minotaur 94
ELVES 95
Metavariant Type: Dryad 95
Metavariant Type: Nocturna 95
Metavariant Type: Wakyambi 96
Metavariant Type: Xapiri Thëpë 97
HUMANs 97
Metavariant Type: Nartaki 97
METASAPIENTS 98
Centaur 98
Naga 98
Pixie 99
Sasquatch 99

that's 26...

10 shapeshiter BASE races (without going into the differences of Panther to a tiger to a lynx...)
that's 36...

Run faster ToC
Bandersnatch 136
Banshee 136
Dzoo-noo-qua 137
Fomóraig 138
Ghoul 138
Gnawer 138
Goblin 138
Grendel 139
Harvester 139
Loup-garou 139
Mutaqua 139
Nosferatu 139
Vampire 140
Wendigo 140

14 infected races....

that brings the total to 50! And we are still missing AIs and Drakes.... And changelings (that can be adapted so far, that they might as be their own race for how unique they can be!)

So... 52+ race choices???

There is an old saying; "Too many choices is worse then too few"

Which I think we are getting pretty darn close to... Some days the argument sounds more like "I need my Snowflake to be more snowflakey then the next Snowflake!"....

And considering the way I have seen some people play their snowflakes... well lets say there are reasons why I don't allow some races at my table, as they provide nothing other then being a flashy billboard that says:
 "ITS ALL ABOUT ME! ME! ME!! ME!!! Fuck you other players, its ALL ABOUT ME!!!"

Course, my group of players also has a nasty habit of skull double tapping the characters of players they get this way.... so yea, keep the group focused and on task, some of these "choices" and not "choices" at my table.
 

[Wakshaani]

I submitted two new Human metavariants, but the bossman didn't bite.

Maybe later tho!

Maybe...

[Novocrane]

14 infected races....

Which book are the Caribbean Infected variants in?

[Sterling]

There is an old saying; "Too many choices is worse then too few"

Which I think we are getting pretty darn close to... Some days the argument sounds more like "I need my Snowflake to be more snowflakey then the next Snowflake!"....

And considering the way I have seen some people play their snowflakes... well lets say there are reasons why I don't allow some races at my table, as they provide nothing other then being a flashy billboard that says:
 "ITS ALL ABOUT ME! ME! ME!! ME!!! Fuck you other players, its ALL ABOUT ME!!!"

Course, my group of players also has a nasty habit of skull double tapping the characters of players they get this way.... so yea, keep the group focused and on task, some of these "choices" and not "choices" at my table.

Obviously people are free to play any way they choose, but I definitely lean towards the Black Trenchcoat style, which means avoiding anything that attracts attention.  Its a bit difficult to avoid notoriety when a team is known for having a Nartaki, two shapeshifters, and Drake (picking examples at random).

Adding in more flamboyant, attention-grabbing races doesn't seem at all necessary to me.