[Michael Chandra]

You can put other enhancements in the gap though. Spend 3 Ess then upgrade so it only takes 2.5? You have a gap of 0.5 available for things. Get 0.6 after, now you're at 2.9.

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

I'd be tempted to go Used rather than Delta.  Get the sweet sweet performance on the cheap, and if necessary upgrade to better grades as you go along... thereby opening up some essence holes you can fill with even more chrome.

[CigarSmoker]

Cyberjack VI has Avail 6, so no higher than Standard possible. (At char gen obviously...)

[Plan_B]

Cyberjack VI has Avail 6, so no higher than Standard possible. (At char gen obviously...)

I would need to check, as my book isn’t at hand right now, but I don’t believe the cyberjack is listed as Illegal, so the Availability rating limitation would not apply. If, however, it is illegal, then yeah, it’s restricted.

[CigarSmoker]

I start to understand what people complain about with these rules, you are right only illegal gear. That opens so many loopholes its insane ...

[Iron Serpent Prince]

Well as I've said many times in several places ... a cyberjack is by no means necessary and you can use a commlink +deck just fine ... but you probably won't want to if hacking is your primary role and you all you can get out if it. 😉

Wait, you can combine a Commlink and a Cyberdeck together to form a Persona?

Because Xenon posted that you can't...

And you agreed with him/her in the very next post.




This is why people are perpetually confused.

[Plan_B]

I start to understand what people complain about with these rules, you are right only illegal gear. That opens so many loopholes its insane ...

I don't really see this as a "loophole." There are still going to be limiting factors, such as available Resources to spend on gear. That said, if someone wants to blow all their cash on one really big ticket item, that's their option. It's going to hurt them in other areas pretty fast.

[CigarSmoker]

I start to understand what people complain about with these rules, you are right only illegal gear. That opens so many loopholes its insane ...

I don't really see this as a "loophole." There are still going to be limiting factors, such as available Resources to spend on gear. That said, if someone wants to blow all their cash on one really big ticket item, that's their option. It's going to hurt them in other areas pretty fast.

I recently learned (see the other thread thats up...) that the Hard Cap for Avail is 9. If that werent that case i would instantly find many loopholes (drain focus, Spirit focus, autosoft for example) but with a limit of 9 its ok

[Banshee]

Well as I've said many times in several places ... a cyberjack is by no means necessary and you can use a commlink +deck just fine ... but you probably won't want to if hacking is your primary role and you all you can get out if it. 😉

Wait, you can combine a Commlink and a Cyberdeck together to form a Persona?

Because Xenon posted that you can't...

And you agreed with him/her in the very next post.




This is why people are perpetually confused.

We (or at least I) was talking about combined cyberdeck and RCC's .. which is a no go in my book (powers that be have different opinions)

If you go purely off what intended and not necessarily off what is published ... then the only viable options for actual hacking are cyberjack+cyberdeck and commlink+cyberdeck. You can't hack with a RCC but you can combine a RCC with a cyberjack but it doesn't gain you much benefit considering the investment, and there is no need or benefit to combining a RCC with a commlink

[Iron Serpent Prince]

We (or at least I) was talking about combined cyberdeck and RCC's .. which is a no go in my book (powers that be have different opinions)

I get that, and respect it (even though I disagree with it, personally).

The problem is that the very first sentence of Xenon's linked post was (paraphrased and reformatted):

You can only use one of the following:

• commlink
• cyberdeck
• RCC

And then followed up in the second sentence that you can't use two of them at the same time.

When you agreed to Xenon's post, you didn't qualify that concept out.

[BeCareful]

Hang on, the new cyberdecks are worn on your wrist, and project a holographic keyboard? Good thing you'll most likely be using it with DNI, since one-handed typing isn't the quickest way to issue instructions during initiative...

[FastJack]

Hang on, the new cyberdecks are worn on your wrist, and project a holographic keyboard? Good thing you'll most likely be using it with DNI, since one-handed typing isn't the quickest way to issue instructions during initiative...

Project holographic keyboard in front of both your hands? AR keyboard? There's a lot of ways to use both hands.

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

Thought-to-Text transcribing apps are surely mastered technology by the 2080s.  Probably by the 2050s, even.  So mundane by Sixth World standards their functionality is presumed on DNI hardware.

[Xenon]

Wait, you can combine a Commlink and a Cyberdeck together to form a Persona?

There might be a difference between actively using more than one of them at the same time or simply having them connected to your network and having your network passively taking advantage of their matrix attributes.


Using is the operative word here.

If you are currently using a cyberdeck then you may for example take illegal matrix actions but you may not send the same instruction to several slaved drones.

If you instead are current using a RCC then you may send the same instruction to several slaved drones but you may not take illegal matrix actions.

Even if you own both.


At least this is what I was talking about when I made the post (and I think perhaps this is what Banshee also replied to).

[Iron Serpent Prince]

There might be a difference between actively using more than one of them at the same time or simply having them connected to your network and having your network passively taking advantage of their matrix attributes.

There might be.

Then there might not be.

The Core Book doesn't have anything in it about creating a Persona in it, and it sure doesn't even mention anything about being able to use more than one device at a time.  (Not even to determine your Matrix Attributes.)

If you’re a decker, your Matrix attributes are determined by the device you’re using to access the Matrix.

Emphasis mine.

Now, I'm not arguing the point, as I'm aware of what Banshee's intentions are.

My point is that if there is any restriction on the number of devices you can be "logged into" at a time, and whether or not you have to be logged in to benefit from the device(s) isn't clear.

Everything people think is true about those rules is carried over from previous editions only.