[Noble Drake]

This tells me that no one is playing 6 on Roll20.

There are too many variables that may factor into whether people are or aren't playing SR6 on Roll20 to draw the conclusion that they aren't from the absence of an SR6 sheet.

[Michael Chandra]

This tells me that no one is playing 6 on Roll20.

There are too many variables that may factor into whether people are or aren't playing SR6 on Roll20 to draw the conclusion that they aren't from the absence of an SR6 sheet.

To paraphrase my logic classes: From nothing you can prove everything.

(Since A->B holds if A is false, having an always-false statement for A allows you to 'prove' any B. So if we pick for A 'SR6 satisfaction of SR5-worshippers', knowing they will never be satisfied (Hi Hamilton!), B can be whatever they want it to be.)

As for Roll20, since only one SR6 adventure is available, I'm not surprised many are just using SR5 tools with tweaks. Will be different when the SRMs start hitting.

[Ghost Rigger]

To paraphrase my logic classes: From nothing you can prove everything.

Surely, you must have a bounty of evidence that people are actually converting to 6e.

[FastJack]

To paraphrase my logic classes: From nothing you can prove everything.

Surely, you must have a bounty of evidence that people are actually converting to 6e.

He never claimed they were. But you bring up another great false argument: the strawman.

[skalchemist]

I've had a great many valuable conversations on this forum since I joined, had all kinds of questions answered, and been quite pleased with the quick rules explanations I've had.

But if you ever wanted to know why a newbie like myself would maybe steer clear of this forum as an unpleasant place, the last two pages of this thread are one reason.  Its not that it is negative (this is an RPG forum on the internet, things are going to be negative), its that it is entirely unproductive.  It answers no questions, will never achieve any synthesis, and is making my eyeballs hurt.  It certainly no longer has anything to do with the original question posed in the subject line and first post. 

Time for me to tune out, I guess. 

[0B]

Time for me to tune out, I guess.

I hear you. IDK how much of it is this forum, and not just the online fanbase. The only shadowrun places I've seen online that don't have some level of hostility/vitriol are living communities (Since they tend to be smaller, and are on a "whitelist" basis for new members), and tumblr. (Since there's only about five SR players on tumblr that regularly talk about SR...)

I don't know how much there is that the mods can do in this case to change things like that. I think this forum is more productive than other places, but there always seems to be something to argue about. I like arguing, too, but not all the time.

[Redwulfe]

Mods please delete if this is crossing a forum rule of guideline I am not trying to cause trouble.

Don't know if this would work out for you all, but the World of Darkness forum on OPP is similar in its vitriol towards the new edition of Masquerade. We started a Community on Discord that was dedicated to fans of the new edition and things have been much better vitriol wise for those of us who love the new edition.

As a fan of this edition, maybe we just do the same and create a space that has less vitriol if you feel that is needed. I am just coming back to the forums so I do not know the level of hate that is out there yet, though I have seen some claims online.

[jman5000]

well, if it matters to anyone, I am running a 6e game using roll20.  basically just maps that I project onto my table for a F2F game, but its still roll20, and its still 6e.

shrug.

Cheers,

J.

[Redwulfe]

Project on to your table, that sounds interesting, what type of projector are you using.

[jman5000]

I picked up a cheap $100 LED projector.  its not too bright, but good enough to reflect off of a background.  I temporarily suspend the projector about 3.5-4' off of the table to give it enough distance to allow my "virtual desktop" to be poster sized.

I run a couple laptops.  one is a GM laptop, where I have my Roll20 views including no fog of war etc.  I have a player laptop that basically mirrors the screen to the projector.  this makes it super easy for me to mouse around and show google maps of Seattle, or images of a NPC, etc.

I use google maps in 3d mode for some of the legwork stuff, as well as getting to and from the run and various other parts of the city.  flip to a roll 20 map that I've setup ahead of time for the actual location. 

seems to work pretty well (its only been 1 session ).  have been using nearly this exact setup for several years now for a D&D game.  only addition here is I've also included an upright monitor for other visual props.

Cheers,

J.

[Sir Ludwig]

Jman,

Could I get some pics of your setup in action?  Sounds interesting.

Regards,
Ludwig

[skalchemist]

Jman,

Could I get some pics of your setup in action?  Sounds interesting.

Regards,
Ludwig

I'm not JMan, but I am a long time player in his games and just happen to have a picture already online of what it looked like when we were playing Twlight 2000 using his setup on my RPGGeek gallery...

https://rpggeek.com/image/3752793/skalchemist

It really is a sweet setup.  He has this wooden frame built that holds the projector that he places between the two lamps over his dining room table.  The lamps support the frame, pointing the projector down at the table.  I think the only downside is that when he and I went in together to get the projector we should have spent an extra $50 each to get one with a brighter lamp, but that would have been a larger box and might not have been able to be supported by the lamps.

[cantrip]

Jman,

Could I get some pics of your setup in action?  Sounds interesting.
Regards,
Ludwig

I'm not JMan, but I am a long time player in his games and just happen to have a picture already online of what it looked like when we were playing Twlight 2000 using his setup on my RPGGeek gallery...

https://rpggeek.com/image/3752793/skalchemist

Awesome! I love seeing other people's setups - very cool @JMan @skalchemist
Someday I will clean up my basement....someday....

[0B]

Stuff like that always makes me wish I could play IRL games... I always have to stick to Roll20 and online groups. Where I live, it'd be hard enough finding enough people to play D&D, nevermind Shadowrun. This is partially my fault, though, my schedule is usually the biggest obstacle with groups XD

I think I have a tub of DnD tiles that I haven't touched since college. And every time I go to the bookstore, I still want to buy more. It's cool what you can do with online or projector maps- I like re-purposing RPGmaker maps- but the tactile part of gaming is nice. 

[BeCareful]

Yeah. On the one hand, Roll20 does a lot of the math for you, and you're potentially playing a cyberpunk RPG online with people in different countries;
on the other, you can share each others' sourcebooks in person, take a snack break together (with the same snacks!) and hang out before/after.