[SDTroll]

When a targets commlink is bricked, does all their other wireless gear go down as well? So, Street Sam Silly has his smartgun, his ear buds, and his wired reflexes running through his commlink. An enemy decker manages to smack the commlink down with a data spike. Does Silly lose his smartgun completely? Does his wired reflexes turn off? Can he no longer listen to Mozart through his streaming service? Or does just the wireless portion turn off? So he still has the boost from his wired but now needs a major action to turn them on or off.  Either way I assume Mozart is gone, which is bad news for the Corp, since Silly really loves his Mozart.

[Banshee]

When a targets commlink is bricked, does all their other wireless gear go down as well? So, Street Sam Silly has his smartgun, his ear buds, and his wired reflexes running through his commlink. An enemy decker manages to smack the commlink down with a data spike. Does Silly lose his smartgun completely? Does his wired reflexes turn off? Can he no longer listen to Mozart through his streaming service? Or does just the wireless portion turn off? So he still has the boost from his wired but now needs a major action to turn them on or off.  Either way I assume Mozart is gone, which is bad news for the Corp, since Silly really loves his Mozart.

Taking out the commlink in a situation like this only effects the commlinks function. That means he loses uses of the commlink itself, so no Mozart for sure, but also loses the ability to form a PAN. All of his other gear would still function just fine but they are now undefended either because he has no PAN of his own to use or because his commlink was the point of contact to a team network. IF the individual devices were linked to a PAN rather than through his commlink it would essentially have no effect.

[SDTroll]

Thanks, as a follow up, if someone is link locked and their cyberdeck/commlink is bricked, they are still ejected from the Matrix, right? The link lock only keeps them on if their meat body falls unconscious.

[Banshee]

Thanks, as a follow up, if someone is link locked and their cyberdeck/commlink is bricked, they are still ejected from the Matrix, right? The link lock only keeps them on if their meat body falls unconscious.

Yes, bricking the device they connecting with dumps thim ... but don't forget about dumpshock! Especially if link locked

[SDTroll]

And, since one question follows another. I know distance in the matrix is wonky, but, assuming your entire network “travels” with you, what happens when you are dumped or leave? For example, Dopey the decker is sitting in the back of the van on the way to the run sight. He goes VR and heads out to try and probe his way in. A couple of glitches later a security spider bricks his deck for him. Before he was dumped (and suffered dump shock) his network, including the teams’ PANs and his other devices was engaged with the security spider getting his virtual butt kicked. Now that the teams PANs are separated from his, as are his other devices, are they gone from the spider’s matrix view? Assuming she didn’t trace Dopey before bricking him, can she find them at all?

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

Not sure I even understand the question, but with regards to "how far apart can devices be inside the same network" there is no hard limit. If necessary, Noise can apply to runners really splitting the team up.

[Banshee]

If I'm understanding your question right ... yes, if Dopey got bricked and dumped the spider can now see and start picking off the team one by one. The spider would presumably see them if he had already detected Dopey to brick him, but with Dopey dumped his PAN and relayed defense is gone too leaving the team vulnerable unless they have a back up.

[skalchemist]

If the individual devices were linked to a PAN rather than through his commlink it would essentially have no effect.

I assume here you mean "a PAN set up by someone else"?  Because my understanding was a commlink was required for a personal PAN. 

Also, your reply raises another question, do wired devices count towards the limit on slave devices described on pg 174?  I had assumed no, but now that I re-read that section and also your reply I'm not sure.  Like, if my glasses have a hard wire to my commlink that has 3 data processing, can I have 3 wireless devices in the PAN or only 2?

[SDTroll]

If I'm understanding your question right ... yes, if Dopey got bricked and dumped the spider can now see and start picking off the team one by one. The spider would presumably see them if he had already detected Dopey to brick him, but with Dopey dumped his PAN and relayed defense is gone too leaving the team vulnerable unless they have a back up.

Even if the team is in a different physical location?  The rest of Dopey's network stays in contact with the spider?  I know, distance and travel in the matrix, just trying to get an idea of how it works.

[Banshee]

If the individual devices were linked to a PAN rather than through his commlink it would essentially have no effect.

I assume here you mean "a PAN set up by someone else"?  Because my understanding was a commlink was required for a personal PAN. 

Also, your reply raises another question, do wired devices count towards the limit on slave devices described on pg 174?  I had assumed no, but now that I re-read that section and also your reply I'm not sure.  Like, if my glasses have a hard wire to my commlink that has 3 data processing, can I have 3 wireless devices in the PAN or only 2?

I meant that if his devices were linked to another PAN (most likely someone else yes) but not the commlink that got bricked.

And yes on wireless devices count against the limit direct connection or wired don't need the PAN

[Banshee]

If I'm understanding your question right ... yes, if Dopey got bricked and dumped the spider can now see and start picking off the team one by one. The spider would presumably see them if he had already detected Dopey to brick him, but with Dopey dumped his PAN and relayed defense is gone too leaving the team vulnerable unless they have a back up.

Even if the team is in a different physical location?  The rest of Dopey's network stays in contact with the spider?  I know, distance and travel in the matrix, just trying to get an idea of how it works.

Depends on what you mean by stay in contact. Does he see them and know they are there ... yes. Does he have access, no. He crashed the network that could have provided that link, so now he has to target each of them individually

[SDTroll]

If I'm understanding your question right ... yes, if Dopey got bricked and dumped the spider can now see and start picking off the team one by one. The spider would presumably see them if he had already detected Dopey to brick him, but with Dopey dumped his PAN and relayed defense is gone too leaving the team vulnerable unless they have a back up.

Even if the team is in a different physical location?  The rest of Dopey's network stays in contact with the spider?  I know, distance and travel in the matrix, just trying to get an idea of how it works.

Depends on what you mean by stay in contact. Does he see them and know they are there ... yes. Does he have access, no. He crashed the network that could have provided that link, so now he has to target each of them individually

Would it be different if Dopey was using a satellite link?  If the noise rating from distance was great enough, would the spider be unable to attack them because him system wouldn't let him?  Or more likely a rival decker using a cyberdeck rather than a host supported spider.