[Sentinemodo]

it is more like mac code for network devices or emei for cellural phones. it's hardware related, there is a paragraph about hardware roll to change the access id of the commlink.

[Sichr]

OK. Ill do that ASAP...

ASAP doesnt mean now...
just ASAP

Until then, Ill shut that thing down and will relly on Mouse about the comunications...

[Sichr]

Talking about harsh runs, I got a feeling that the end of the summer tends to be bloody, in Urban Brawl we also seem to fight for a survival, not for victory

[Sentinemodo]

Sichr, I've seen you follow the discussion on turning of the commlink.

For all further situations: if a hacker get his connection jammed-open, to act outside the node he is locked in, he must win a Wil+Filters against IC Rating + Response.
The rationale for this is that the jamming connection open make the subscription to be overriding all others by directly feeding it to brain, and disallowing to stop the transmission.

Black IC should be deadly.

[Sichr]

Really dont know how to get this in line with rules. But its your call...and IMO...deadly? had you seen my condition monitor? By the logic of what you are saying, hacker jammed open by IC is unable to do anything but resist damage. Every use of software is something that breaks your argument...talking about simply using Command program to turn on Jammer attached to PAN, for example...
If that would be impossible, Spoofing is also impossible. And, following the same line, usin Medic, Attack or any other program also. Beacuse programs you use from your own commlink, not from the node you are fighting in...in fact...everything happens inside your commlink, your brain aint travelling anywhere, at least if you are not a techno...
Hm..IDN. I know it is an exploit...but since this action is strictrly legal RAW, its legal exloit...and it aint for free, 5P is quite a hit...

[snake_eyes]

I'm not sure I am following all of the rules in play on what Sichr did in destroying the access log file. If I had to wager a guess it was due to the critical glitch on the part of the tarantula.
According to the core book, any of the IC programs (blackhammer and blackout) can prevent you from logging off. But it can't prevent you from jacking out and suffering dumpshock.

[snake_eyes]

Mouse and the sprite are going to probe Dean's system for vulnerablilities after taking 2 combat turns to get a bloody sprite looking for admin access. How am i to handle the sprite's assistance? (I think he roll's and adds his successes to mine)

Also, I have already started a probe once before, do I get to include those successes or am I starting from scratch?

[Sentinemodo]

you can continue. there is noone maintaining the system and performing updates now.

[snake_eyes]

Ok. To start with, I had 4 success from the first attempt.
Let the probing begin...(For admin privileges)
Sprite: Hacking(4)+Exploit(4)-->8d6.hits(5)=4
Mouse: Hacking(4)+Exploit(5)+2TM-2damS-->9d6.hits(5)=1
Next Hour:
Sprite: 8d6.hits(5)=3
Mouse: 9d6.hits(5)=4

I'm guessing that 2 hours should be sufficient to get into Dean's node?

[Sentinemodo]

that's a teamwork test. each hit achieved by the sprite give additionak dice for your roll.

secondary there might be some healing that coukd remove the damage modifier from your roll.

lastly, I need to know if the team wishes to wait for you to finish that node when something is definitely brewing on the junkies side or if they carry you around in which case I need their IC on what they are doing.

[Sentinemodo]

JDA,

Cast spell 14d6.hits(5)=7
Drain roll  9d6.hits(5)=3 if my calculations are correct no drain was taken, seeing how Omar only needed 5 boxes healed. With that Ryker looks at

Could you please split those dicepools for me (just for making sure)

[Sentinemodo]

as for the healing itself.
Omar has very low Essence - which means you need to apply a -5 modifier (that knocks down one hit from your roll, which deosnt matter since you still have 6).
Omar has 4P of damage so Drain Value is only 2, which isn't a problem.

You can't do anything about the stun damage, so unless any of you have some medkits/stimpack, hackers still have same amount of stun damage and in case of Omar, this is pretty close to unconsciousness.

[Sentinemodo]

Snake, I'd appreciate, if you could post your current status in OOC - the Kot's format would be perfect. (I got a little lost, on the remianing edge, and damage boxes)

[Sentinemodo]

While we wait for more IC, i think we can continue on the discussion:

Really dont know how to get this in line with rules. But its your call...and IMO...deadly? had you seen my condition monitor? By the logic of what you are saying, hacker jammed open by IC is unable to do anything but resist damage. Every use of software is something that breaks your argument...talking about simply using Command program to turn on Jammer attached to PAN, for example...
If that would be impossible, Spoofing is also impossible. And, following the same line, usin Medic, Attack or any other program also. Beacuse programs you use from your own commlink, not from the node you are fighting in...in fact...everything happens inside your commlink, your brain aint travelling anywhere, at least if you are not a techno...
Hm..IDN. I know it is an exploit...but since this action is strictrly legal RAW, its legal exloit...and it aint for free, 5P is quite a hit...

Yep I've seen how you look like, but facing of two good hackers with black software without someone back there ready to pull you off you shouldn't be walking at all.
We agree that jamming is an exploit of the RAW.  The rules are very clear on most actions that allow escaping (jack out, log off even spoofing a datatrail to break the connection) except for jamming. For me it's the omission rather then intention.  Especially that it doesn't even require a electronic warfare roll I don't see why anyone wouldn't do so. If you go first in the round, and were hit in the pass end, you jamm yourself out as the first action on the next pass, if you go last and was hit you eject as soon as you get blocked. What's the reason for even introducing this feature into black ic then, and spending considerable amounts of wordcount in the rulebook on it?

as far as my interpretation - persona operations (using programs/loading/unloading programs) are IMO happening in you the node you're jammed in, there is no need to use the commlink subscription for that, that is why there is a persona limit in the target node - you actually load and run the persona on the target node.

I could go and revert the interpretation as this might be too offensive, but since forcing your own commlink to jamm is effectively the same thing as jacking out or logging off. You would be able to command OTHER device to jamm in the fly, cutting the matrix connection from your commlink to the blackiced node, but you'd need to overcome the standard ECCM roll on jamming the commlink, EW + signal of the jamming device vs EW + signal of the commlink + ECCM software if running (the EW skill rating could probably be dropped from the second roll, as you wouldn't apply the skill to defend the link).

What do you think? I don't want exploits like this legal or not, and am looking for a fair solution within RAW or outside of it if needed.
The bottom line is that Black IC software and Attack program is an rocket launcher compared to pistol and if you're not ready for this you shouldn't be there to face it.

[snake_eyes]

Mouse's current status: 2/8P damage taken, 6/11S damage taken. No edge left