[Kouryuu]

anyone goes for EDGE to act first?
If no, I'll resolve spirits actions first.

Sure,  no more edge left.

Seeing Enrico has many modifyers, Da i know what they are, as you used them for dodge and soak. Would love to know what they are..

[Sentinemodo]

I'll share them after the run. We never really had a an after run talk methinks.
When I was young I was always pestering my GM with question along the lines, how did he did that, why did she did that.

You guys are dried out of curiosty ;P

[Kouryuu]

I'll share them after the run. We never really had a an after run talk methinks.
When I was young I was always pestering my GM with question along the lines, how did he did that, why did she did that.

You guys are dried out of curiosty ;P

I see nonconductiviry R2 in his armour, right?

[Sichr]

well I dont care

[Kouryuu]

Sam ini 12 + 0 =12
1 dice on 1 more and it had been crit. glitch.

[Sichr]

OK, to that Radar issue, imo it is safe to say, that
Radar Sensor works for 80 meters, based on the signal rating 2
allow to perceive throught Rx5 barriers
for 15 meters it is accurate and the image is clear enought to also work as weapons and cyberware scanner.

[Netzgeist]

You guys are dried out of curiosty ;P

Well, when this is all over, I REALLY want to know how that two other guys ended up being the meal of an alligantor and a naga(?), for sure.

[Kouryuu]

OK, to that Radar issue, imo it is safe to say, that
Radar Sensor works for 80 meters, based on the signal rating 2
allow to perceive throught Rx5 barriers
for 15 meters it is accurate and the image is clear enought to also work as weapons and cyberware scanner.

my problem are the 15m
this sensor works like ultrasound not like x-ray, not even scatter x-ray (millimetre wave).
the wave bounces back from denser structures more then from squishy ones, meaning the bigger the Structure rating the more signal bounces back, if the radar can got 100m and get trough 20 points on structure telling be how dense the material is recognising a person breathing trough a reinforced door, how can it not see that the man in front of me  - some 20m has a cyber arm and 2 cyber legs.
that is just absurd, the whole radar functions on seeing the difference on different densities, if it were just small things i could agree that the picture might get a bit blurry or i would have neg mod on rolls to see it, but not seeing the difference between flesh and a metal armoured hand, really?

OK Some of the time, my Logic teacher said if you have difficulties to prove that you are right help them prove you are wrong until they see that you are right.

So if UWB function like a Millimetre wave scanner, then why do i see trough walls? why do i have the 100m  and the 20 barrier structure to see trough, can a MAD scanner do that? No, then i shall not be able to do that as well.

My point being this is not MAD Scanner. it may detect weapons and cyber like the Mad does, following the same rules Mad does, but the range and the technical side differs, millimetre does not penetrate structure, it does not go trough the body, UWB does, Millimetre has only 15m range, UWB has 100m

It's comparing Apples and oranges in my book. Yes they both are round and grow in trees, but they are not the same.

http://www.timedomain.com/news/wall.php - UWB, they are just deweloping it, so no real life examples

[Sichr]

Kour. Your problem is that you are trying to impose logic against rules. What i wrote is what rules say it does. Nothing more, nothing less It maykes thinghs much easier...just a little faith

[Kouryuu]

Kour. Your problem is that you are trying to impose logic against rules. What i wrote is what rules say it does. Nothing more, nothing less It maykes thinghs much easier...just a little faith

i live in world where logic rules everything.

If the i say that the "eurowind 2300" sports car function just like a "jack- rabbit" car, it would not mean it has the same top speed and handling.
the rule never states it has a range limit of 15m. as my previous sentence never states any stats on the both cars, but if we assume one we have to assume the other too.

i just do not get why they start to limit the range.

[Sichr]

Ah.
Rules says:

It can be used    to detect    weapons and cyberware on a person in the same way as millimeter wave radar (p. 255, SR4)

Millimeter   wave   detection   systems, also known as cyberware   
scanners, process video taken in the millimeter wave spectrum to iden-
tify the energy signature of cyberware and concealed items (specifically
weapons) on a person. These devices can “see through” thick layers
of clothing and other concealment to identify items from a distance
of 15 meters away. To determine if the detector scans cyberware or a
prohibited item, roll the Device rating and compare the hits scored to
the thresholds given on the Cyberware Scanner Table. Millimeter wave
scans can detect any non-biological item by its shape and composition,
assuming the item is listed in the device’s database. If the threshold is
reached, the scanner detects the item/implant and notes its general lo-
cations and type; additional hits provide more detail (function, model,
grade, etc.).

Dead simple...

[Kouryuu]

More to the point

Radar Sensor:
 This device emits ultrawideband and terahertz radar in short stepped-frequency pulses. An expert system analyzes the Doppler shift in the bounced signals and converts the information into a three-dimensional “map” that overlays (or replaces) the user’s visual senses, similar in some ways to ultrasound. The advantage to the radar sensor is that it can “see” through walls and other materials, which appear as translucent. This system is excellent for detecting motion (even as slight as breathing), calculating exact distances, and allowing the character to visualize floorplans, locations of people, and placement of materials like weapons. It is unaffected by visual tricks like camouflage and Invisibility spells. It is unable to ascertain colors, lighting, or other visual features.
The radar sensor uses the same Visibility modifiers as ultrasound. It can penetrate its rating x 5 of cumulative barrier Structure ratings (see p. 157, SR4). For example, a Rating 2 radar sensor could “see through” two Structure rating 5 walls. It can be used to detect weapons and cyberware on a person in the same way as millimeter wave radar (p. 255, SR4)[/color]. Radar sensor cyberware has an effective Signal rating of 2 for determining the sensor’s range. Radar sensors are vulnerable to jammers and jamming[/b].

Millimeter wave detection systems, also known as cyberware scanners, process video taken in the millimeter wave spectrum to identify the energy signature of cyberware and concealed items (specifically weapons) on a person. These devices can “see through” thick layers of clothing and other concealment to identify items from a distance of 15 meters away. To determine if the detector scans cyberware or a prohibited item, roll the Device rating and compare the hits scored to the thresholds given on the Cyberware Scanner Table. Millimeter wave scans can detect any non-biological item by its shape and composition, assuming the item is listed in the device’s database. If the threshold is reached, the scanner detects the item/implant and notes its general locations and type; additional hits provide more detail (function, model, grade, etc.).

This system is excellent for detecting motion (even as slight as breathing), calculating exact distances, and allowing the character to visualize floorplans, locations of people, and placement of materials like weapons. It is unaffected by visual tricks like camouflage and Invisibility spells.

this sentence alone speaks to my theory, "placment of weapons"
according to you it's only 15m

[Sichr]

you know, that pink really sucks...

[Kouryuu]

Dead simple...

there is the problem, interpretation.
The same way?
does it mean range
does it mean rolls to make
does it mean that the scanner cannot penetrate the body?

[Sichr]

This:
Radar sensor cyberware has an effective Signal rating of 2 for determining the sensor’s range.

Speaks about the radar sensor in general, not about its usability as cyberware detector. Cyberware detector is more than just x-ray eyes. It compares the reflection with database and gives you some results. You may assume, taht fbeyond 15 meters range its resolution is beyond ability to recognize the cyberware/weapon type, and as such it wont get the match against database, so it wont say anything.
Maybe...read Whole milimeter radar article. It says exactly how it works. It doesnt work like...I see eveything. It is an expert system linked to database that is working with predefined signatures and notices you of mathces found, providing more informations, if available.