[Noctem]

well the plan is to wear the full body suit, then the PPP on top of that, then the business jacket and skirt / slacks on top of that.  Would that work ?

[JustADude]

well the plan is to wear the full body suit, then the PPP on top of that, then the business jacket and skirt / slacks on top of that.  Would that work ?

Yeah, that'd work just dandy.

[Medicineman]

well the plan is to wear the full body suit, then the PPP on top of that, then the business jacket and skirt / slacks on top of that.  Would that work ?

the PPP has to be added to an Armor
its not Armor in itself
so it would be FF Fullbody & Business Combo with PPP
(because adding the Rigid PPP to the soft and flexible FFBA makes the hair on my feet crinkle )

HougH!
Medicineman

[Noctem]

isn't the full body an armor though ?  I would certainly say it is.

[Medicineman]

*sigh* (I sigh because If had this discussion sooooo often , just today in a different Forum )
Form Fitting Body armor is extremely Flexible and Taylormade. thats why it has a special encumberance Bonus
but if You add rigid Armor pieces you'd prevent the flexibility of the Formfitting Armor.
ImO PPP and FFBA don't mix succesfully

with a flexible Dance
Medicineman

[Ajax]

*sigh* (I sigh because If had this discussion sooooo often , just today in a different Forum )
Form Fitting Body armor is extremely Flexible and Taylormade. thats why it has a special encumberance Bonus
but if You add rigid Armor pieces you'd prevent the flexibility of the Formfitting Armor.
ImO PPP and FFBA don't mix succesfully

Except that, given the actual rules of the game the two mix just fine. Since PPP is available "as discreet protection designed to be worn beneath other clothing" (AR p. 49) and its piecemeal nature means it only covers parts of the body that do not bend or flex, like shins, forearms, upper arms, and thighs... and Form-Fitting Body Armor is designed to be worn "beneath other clothing or armor." (AR p.48).

Form-Fitting Armor can be worn under other armor, without any hinderance. PPP can be worn a top that.  Clothing can be worn on top of both. This is exactly how these armor systems have worked since, what, Fields of Fire?

[UmaroVI]

Some people get the "PPP adds to other armor for encumbrance purposes" confused and think it means PPP has to attach to other armor in a physical sense.

[All4BigGuns]

Some people get the "PPP adds to other armor for encumbrance purposes" confused and think it means PPP has to attach to other armor in a physical sense.

Then there's the question that pops up on if PPP adds to the FFBA before or after halving for encumbrance. Personally, I could go either way.

[Tsuzua]

I could be wrong, but I think what Medicineman is talking about is that the PPP bonus doesn't add to the FFBA and then gets halved for encumbrance. 

For example, if I'm wearing Full FFBA (6/2 3/1 for encumbrance), complete set of Securetech PPP (2/6), and an armor vest (6/2), my total armor is 14/12.  Now the Securetech PPP gives a bonus to another piece of armor.  So if it adds to the vest, my encumbrance is 11/11 since FFBA's value is halved.

But what happens if the bonus goes to the FFBA?  It's now 8/8 armor.  However for encumbrance, is it 5/7 (6/2 FFBA base halved to 3/1 + 2/6 from PPP) or 4/4 (6/2 base FFBA + 2/6 for 8/8 total halved to 4/4)?  What happens if I include stuff like gel packs, helmets, and tactical neck insulators?  It can make a very large difference in maximum encumbrance.

[All4BigGuns]

I could be wrong, but I think what Medicineman is talking about is that the PPP bonus doesn't add to the FFBA and then gets halved for encumbrance. 

For example, if I'm wearing Full FFBA (6/2 3/1 for encumbrance), complete set of Securetech PPP (2/6), and an armor vest (6/2), my total armor is 14/12.  Now the Securetech PPP gives a bonus to another piece of armor.  So if it adds to the vest, my encumbrance is 11/11 since FFBA's value is halved.

But what happens if the bonus goes to the FFBA?  It's now 8/8 armor.  However for encumbrance, is it 5/7 (6/2 FFBA base halved to 3/1 + 2/6 from PPP) or 4/4 (6/2 base FFBA + 2/6 for 8/8 total halved to 4/4)?  What happens if I include stuff like gel packs, helmets, and tactical neck insulators?  It can make a very large difference in maximum encumbrance.

That would be the ruling I was talking about where I said I could go either way on it, but it sounds like he's trying to say that if you put the PPP directly on FFBA then you losing the 'halving effect', and THAT I don't like one bit and do not in any way agree with.

[Noctem]

Hey question for you guys, my DM is saying that the FFBA only gives half encumbrance not 1/3 ?  I checked the book and it confirms that it states half..  How are you guys getting to 1/3 ?

[All4BigGuns]

Hey question for you guys, my DM is saying that the FFBA only gives half encumbrance not 1/3 ?  I checked the book and it confirms that it states half..  How are you guys getting to 1/3 ?

They're not saying one-third encumbrance, they're saying the half encumbrance on full suit comes to 3 ballistic, 1 impact. I think you might just be misreading/misunderstanding, but with numbers thrown around that much, I can see it.

[Medicineman]

could be wrong, but I think what Medicineman is talking about is that the PPP bonus doesn't add to the FFBA and then gets halved for encumbrance. 

No
What I'm writing about is that FFBA has the bonus that you add only half the Encumberance to other armor
f.E. FF 1/2Body is 4/1 Armor Jacket is 8/6
Both together have an encumberance of a   10/6 Armor

This Bonus of 1/2 Encumberance is due to the Factor that the Armor is exrtremely flexible and Taylor made
but If You add rigid Armor Plates the FF BA isn't flexible anymore
You Could add PPP to FFBA shure
F. Example  the PPP Helmet is +0/+2 a Suspensorium is +1/+1
If You add this to FFBA 6/2 you get a 7/5 armor
but this Armor won't/shouldn't get the 1/2Encumberance Bonus if added with another Armor

It would be perfectly Ok (ImO) If you have a FFBA and other armor (Armored Jacket f.E. ) that you add the PPP to the Armor Jacket

but it sounds like he's trying to say that if you put the PPP directly on FFBA then you losing the 'halving effect',

Yes thats correct
 thats why I add the PPP always with  the other Armor
My Chars often wear 2 different Armors, one being FFBA and the other a different one and If its  not encumbering I might add a piece or two of PPP to the other Armor

With another quite flexible Dance
Medicineman

[All4BigGuns]

could be wrong, but I think what Medicineman is talking about is that the PPP bonus doesn't add to the FFBA and then gets halved for encumbrance. 

No
What I'm writing about is that FFBA has the bonus that you add only half the Encumberance to other armor
f.E. FF 1/2Body is 4/1 Armor Jacket is 8/6
Both together have an encumberance of a   10/6 Armor

This Bonus of 1/2 Encumberance is due to the Factor that the Armor is exrtremely flexible and Taylor made
but If You add rigid Armor Plates the FF BA isn't flexible anymore
You Could add PPP to FFBA shure
F. Example  the PPP Helmet is +0/+2 a Suspensorium is +1/+1
If You add this to FFBA 6/2 you get a 7/5 armor
but this Armor won't/shouldn't get the 1/2Encumberance Bonus if added with another Armor

It would be perfectly Ok (ImO) If you have a FFBA and other armor (Armored Jacket f.E. ) that you add the PPP to the Armor Jacket

but it sounds like he's trying to say that if you put the PPP directly on FFBA then you losing the 'halving effect',

Yes thats correct
 thats why I add the PPP always with  the other Armor
My Chars often wear 2 different Armors, one being FFBA and the other a different one and If its  not encumbering I might add a piece or two of PPP to the other Armor

With another quite flexible Dance
Medicineman

The rules of the game do not give distinction to the order in which you add the PPP pieces. To expect someone to do such is, in my opinion, nothing more than being too micromanaging, and is thus completely pointless to do.

[Medicineman]

To expect someone to do such is, in my opinion, nothing more than being too micromanaging, and is thus completely pointless to do.

uuuuhhhh
I'm fighting Hartwurst (Micromanagement)  vehemently Myself 
Its just that some Issues ....Irks me
and this PPP on FFBA is one
another is the Krav Maga Free Quick Draw for Arrows or gluing a Monowhip to Your Foot to get Reach +1 with the Martial Arts Maneuver Kick for Your Whip

My Opinion is not based by the Crunch of the Rules only by the Fluff

with a fluffy Dance
medicineman