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« on: <07-03-12/2136:01> »
Does anyone have any information on the following gangs that is not in the main book or other obvious places? The Spikes, the Ancients, the Ragers, the Night Hunters, the Blood Mountain boys, and the Princes.

I have the 3rd ed. Seattle guide and Shadowrun companion and have seen some of these gangs in SR novels, so that is what source material I'm currently working with. I'm going to be working a lot with these gangs in my campaigns and I want to know as much as possible.

Also, have you used any of these gangs in the past? Any stories you'd like to share or the like? Thank ya.

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« Reply #1 on: <07-03-12/2226:47> »
The Vice sourcebook has alot of info on most of those gangs.  Don't remember there being anything about the bloody mountain boys however... They might have been destroyed/subsumed.  I would start your search there.
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« Reply #2 on: <07-03-12/2236:42> »
I think they are also in Seattle 2072.

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« Reply #3 on: <07-04-12/1345:31> »
There's been a recent shake-up in the Ancients leadership, played out (with PCs and all) in last year's CMP adventure Ancient Pawns, which should (soon) be available for sale.  I hope.  In theory.  ;)

The Princes (formerly Princes of the Blood) aren't an independent gang any more, they've been folded into the Laesa syndicate, working as their muscle, helping out as couriers, etc.  The Blood Mountain Boys haven't been featured in much, to the best of my knowledge, and neither have the Ragers.  I used the Night Hunters and statted up some of 'em in Super Brawl Sunday, another adventure from last summer that'll hopefully be available soon.  It's not a major fluff update for them or anything like that, but it gives some generic stats, at least.  The Spikes' most recent update would be Seattle 2072, off the top of my head.

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« Reply #4 on: <07-04-12/1444:44> »
How are the relations between Ancients and Laesa? I seem to remember reading somewhere that they worked together to get some kind of safety in Elf neighborhoods, negotiated for by the Laesa with... KE? But then I seem to remember reading elsewhere that there's a lot of bad blood between the two.

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« Reply #5 on: <07-04-12/1517:02> »
How are the relations between Ancients and Laesa? I seem to remember reading somewhere that they worked together to get some kind of safety in Elf neighborhoods, negotiated for by the Laesa with... KE? But then I seem to remember reading elsewhere that there's a lot of bad blood between the two.
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They don't get along, but the reason they don't -- competing over the same territory -- is the reason they also don't indulge in open warfare or anything.  They both want to be the chief smugglers in and out of the Tir, they both want to keep an ultimate handle over the Tarislar corner of Puyallup (in particular), they both want to look out for the community and be the gang little kids want to grow up to join, they both want to be the happy-go-lucky Robin Hoods of street-elves everywhere.

Because they want the same things, they squabble over it.  But because of what they want, they're not open, violent, rivals.  The Laesa can't firebomb an Ancients chapter house (even ignoring the terribly violent reprisals, disparity in numbers, or anything else), because then they're the assholes that firebombed an Ancients chapter house, right?  I mean, to the average pointy-eared Tarislar kid, they might as well just go join the Spikes after something like that.  They're all supposed to stick together, they can't go murder-facing one another left and right, or the trogs win/the humans win/the orks win/The Man wins.

So I, personally, see them like competing business operations.  They recruit from the same talent pools (in the Tir and in Puyallup).  They do many of the same types of jobs (though the Laesa focus more on courier work, and the Ancients more on smuggling and muscle).  They want the same image...and neither one is QUITE willing to sacrifice that image in order to win.  So they squabble.  They probably play childish pranks on one another.  They've both got spies in each others' organizations.  They probably have to compete for the same jobs, from time to time.  They don't like each other, they brawl and race in the streets and maybe every now and then one of them dies...but they'll drop that shit in a heartbeat if a Spike rolls into the neighborhood, or when a serial killer targets elves, or when a pimp (that isn't one of them) is running little elf girls, or whatever -- because they both have to play the part, to keep selling their protective reputation to the people of the neighborhood.

For a much more friendly example?  Army soldiers and Marines give each other shit all the time, they bicker over military spending, they're both trying to recruit the same kids, they both need to do the job in order to keep Pentagon funding, but when push comes to shove...

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« Reply #6 on: <07-04-12/1539:01> »
Yeah, that explains it, thanks.
For some reason, I always imagined the Laesa being more of a espionage group doing most of their work through behind the screens influence and intrigue. A tight-knit organization, recruiting the most promising social adepts out of the Ancients.
But I guess that's just one side of their business, certainly not all of it if they're an actual gang too.

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« Reply #7 on: <07-04-12/1612:45> »
The Laesa prefer the term "syndicate."  Which is kind of funny -- the Ancients, an international organization (parts of which are legally licensed as mercenary units, among other things) with thousands of members worldwide, are just "a gang."  The Laesa, which is much smaller, not known for much outside their courier work (and peddling various flavors of their favorite drug), and a much newer organization, is officially an organized crime syndicate.

Funny thing, terminology.  Scale seems not to matter, sometimes.  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: <07-05-12/0403:30> »
Thanks for the feedback Critias  ;D
You really should write that book on elves you know  ;)
(Don't worry about the sales - we get CanRay to advertice it  8))

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« Reply #9 on: <07-05-12/0859:29> »
Thanks for the feedback Critias  ;D
You really should write that book on elves you know  ;)
(Don't worry about the sales - we get CanRay to advertice it  8))

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« Reply #10 on: <07-05-12/1418:04> »
Several?
That may or may not sound very promising!

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« Reply #11 on: <07-06-12/0436:11> »
Thanks for the info everyone, it was quite helpful. It was about time I picked up Seattle 2072, since the past two Seattle guides are my favorite sourcebooks. It even had the Blood Mountain boys in it, one of my favorite gangs, since I live in the Seattle area and it's fun to imagine those huge gang parties on the Maple Valley Hwy.


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« Reply #12 on: <07-06-12/0917:12> »
Then I may or may not be exited  ;D

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« Reply #13 on: <07-06-12/1021:39> »
Thanks for the feedback Critias  ;D
You really should write that book on elves you know  ;)
(Don't worry about the sales - we get CanRay to advertice it  8))

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Actually that seems like a perfect PDF product. Race books.
They wouldn't sell as a print book, but the ones that want more info could get it.
Each book could could talk about each Meta race and it's variants. then give us updates on the most prominent enclaves of that race and give us looks at the most well known subject of said race.

Personally, I'd like to see what the dwarves of San Fran bay are doing with all their underground construction.
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« Reply #14 on: <07-06-12/2238:17> »
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Personally, I'd like to see what the dwarves of San Fran bay are doing with all their underground construction.

Dwarves in general could use more love in SR, I think. Do they even have their own ghetto/neighborhood anywhere in Seattle? I know only that they were pushed out or left voluntarily from the Underground they helped build. I also read vague rumors of a Dwarf underground, but only that.