[Kot]

>>>>>[I'm with the Wyrm on that. Being the successful businessman-consultant I am, I see no reason to actually live in the condo I own. I've spent two weeks chiselling the soft that fakes my residence there, but I still live in a safehouse and work through anonymizers and proxies. You make that mistake only once, and living in a place that _anybody_ can find is like not wearing armour during a run...
There's an easy way to deal with it - having friends, who don't work the biz like you do. Especially "friends for life", whom nobody can connect to you, because they're crazy hermits, SINless, Awakened loners, and so on. Off course, there are people who rent ultra-safe-housing for shadowrunners, but I've done work for those that involved hiding the fact that they sold out their clients in my early days of running. So no, I wouldn't trust them if I were you. Friends are safer. No matter how grizzled and bitter you are, you still need them.]<<<<<
          --NiSayer (03:15:30/11-21-2074)

[Mirikon]

>>>>>[Of course people come after me, Wyrm. But you do understand that rental insurance isn't the only kind of insurance there is, yes? There's also this thing known as homeowner's insurance. Also, most of the nobles I know own both the land way out where and the flat in Cara'sir, as well as one in Malek'thas, and a few others. Not counting the ones they use for mistresses and business dealings.

Naturally, I don't use the mansion in Malek'thas for my home base during runs. I have other places where I go for such things. Where I live is the mansion, or my suite in Seattle, or one of the properties I've picked up in Cara'sir or elsewhere. Where I do business out of, however, is generally rental properties, gained under fake IDs using nanopaste and physical mask spells, as well as having a hacker subordinate fudge the data trails. Sure, sometimes people come after me at home. Why do you think I have so many statues in my garden? But that doesn't change the fact that where I live is the mansion, or one of my places in other cities. Fortunately, I get enough from other revenue streams that I only need to worry about making enough running in whatever sprawl I'm working out of at the time to cover the expenses of the places I've rented as a runner, not the Count.

So long as I don't do anything to get someone like Smiley or Autumn sent after me, I'm not terribly worried about people coming after me at home. The mansion is a convenient place for it, in fact. Nice and isolated, so Shark and I can hunt until we're sated. You get in too many bloodbaths on rental property, and even with money it becomes impossible to find someone who will rent to you. Runners and Johnsons aren't the only ones with information networks, afterall.

As for the costs of repairs, I just give up the chocolate and switch to less expensive liquors for a month or two, and that usually makes up the difference. Most assassins tend to realize that the neighborhood I live in is probably not the best to be using heavy weapons or explosives in. Nobles all around, and all of them have their own security teams, and law enforcement typically takes about three to five minutes to show up after receiving a call. Using heavy ordinance in such an area tends to create more problems than it solves, and the types that are stupid enough to try are usually the ones who think that all elven nobles are soft. As I said before, there's good and bad to all lifestyle choices. Mine have served me just fine, but YMMV, naturally.]<<<<<

--Iceblade (08:59:22/11-21-74)

[Crunch]

>>>>>[Last I checked Home Owners Warranty didn't make you bulletproof. Not being found is the best armor.]<<<<<

--Mr. Fabulous (11:07:25/11-21-74)

[Mirikon]

>>>>>[You also have to take into account the neighborhood, Fabulous. Sure, in the Barrens you have to worry about someone bringing an HMG or grenade launcher to the party, but in a district inhabited with nobles, along with their security forces, using heavy weapons would be suicidal. So once you take precautions against sniping (one reason I have so many trees, sculptures, and fountains in my garden), you primarily need to consider assault rifles or lower in terms of firearms, and mid- to close-range encounters. At that point, I am a combat mage, and my work routinely involves me bringing a sword to a gunfight and walking away at the end of it, so I'm relatively confident going up against assault rifles. In melee, between my skills and magic, and the fact that I can call spirits to possess myself, I haven't met a foe that was good enough that I could not at least hold my own until backup arrives. One advantage of a legit lifestyle is that you actually can call the cops to back you up when there's trouble. Especially if you have drinks with the higher-ups regularly.

It isn't that I can't be found, but that I've made it inconvenient enough to do something about me at home that most of the people who want me dead would rather try it elsewhere (contract killers like to still be alive and free at the end of the job to collect payment, after all), and the ones who still want to try and take me at home have all been too weak to do the job. But yes, someone who is in a different situation should focus on not being found.]<<<<<

--Iceblade (15:40:22/11-21-74)

[Crunch]

>>>>>[I used to work for this guy, back when I was hanging out with the Mob. Dude was a real hard ass, magician, connected to the nines. Used to have Senators and corporate big wigs at his parties all the time. Initiated with the Knights of Columbus and heavy into the Mob. The kind of guy capos say 'yes sir,' 'no sir,' 'how high sir' around. Had this gorgeous place. Out by itself, best security money could by or man could make.

Got taken down by one dude with a subpoena from the IRS, then got shanked in prison.

Me I'll take my chances not being found. ]<<<<<

--Mr. Fabulous (03:15:53/11-21-74)

[Smiley]

>>>>>[I pretty much own all the places I live in for any length of time. Me and my lawyer, we've set up a group of front companies, mostly unnamed number companies with their subsidiaries and their sub-subsidiaries (and so on) and we register our numerous property under these companies. We do that with cars also. And it's all legal too! Well, except the little money laundering operation we do with some of the real estate deals we do. I don't have all the details, the little guy handles the details for these things. It amazes me how this guy can make my life so ridiculously easy. I could turn legit tomorrow morning, in a few hours notice, knowing all my dirty money is now clean in several local and off-shore accounts as well as various stock investments. I could have done it myself but I like getting my hands dirty and he like playing with money, perfect partnership!

As for feeling safe in my own condos and houses... An automatically triggered 20 million nuyen bounty on the head of the guy who kills me and the ones who ordered the kill seems to keep most people away. That and the fact that the success of a fair number of highly placed people depends on my well being, some will go to great lengths to keep me from arm. It's a little trickier to setup, a lot of hard and professionnal work is involved, most won't even get close to the ressources you need to pull that off but I have never been forced to hide in a bolthole for any length of time. Ever.]<<<<<
          --Smiley (16:38:19/11-21-2074)

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

>>>>>[ You aren't the first to do that, Smiley; you won't be the last.  IIRC, of the six I know who've done that, four - maybe five - are completely uncollected.
          As for the rest ... enh.  Eventually you'll get the wake-up call.  If you're lucky, you'll survive it - but you'll also find out that most homeowner's insurance doesn't cover 'acts of terrorism' ... ]<<<<<
          -- The Wyrm Ouroboros (18:15:00/11-21-2074)

[Mirikon]

>>>>>[Shark wins every battle except his last. When he has become so weak that he can be taken down, then it is his time to die, so that the strongest can continue on. I do not fear death, though I don't wish to die. So for now, I will enjoy my life, and swim lazily until I smell blood in the water. Some day, that blood will be mine. Whether it is dying with my blade in my hand, or lying in bed, a very old man, one day I will die, so why worry about the little things? People get too wrapped up in 'not dying' that they forget 'living'. That was the lesson I learned on my Bridging.]<<<<<

--Iceblade (20:35:22/11-21-74)

[Jian]

>>>>>[Agreed, Iceblade. As I see it, Ahura Mazda decrees all things, even my death... and if I am righteous by his judgement when the time comes, I'll be in Paradise for Eternity.]<<<<<

--Delir Emet (20:53:45/11-21-74)

[Kot]

>>>>>[Pretty much. You die when you stop fighting... That reminds me, there's a shoot-out a few blocks away from where I'm currently eating, and something that a KE drone noticed made me wonder... What's the deal with the silver apple guys? I don't recognize that emblem, and they have it stamped pretty much everywhere. ]<<<<<

--NiSayer (21:00:05/11-21-74)

[Wolfboy]

>>>>>[Ni i appreciate that but your reading where i'm at currently, not my new hotel. Thats down in Pensacola, and if you can breach the New San Carlos's matrix security, you have some mega serious chops, just watch out for the feral AI's in the exterior security node. Oh wait, you cant access the security node unless you hardwire it "chuckles" i set this place up with three completely seperate systems and you cant breach anything except the reservation node or the "Exterior Access" node for the guests to gain outside access. Now, I'm laying on a big Christmas and New Years spread and i expect most if not all of you to show up.

Oh, and as for living in what you own, I do when i'm home, and if they can get to me there, well, they deserve to get a piece of me, they may not like the piece they get though.]<<<<<

--Wolfgar (19:55:55/11-21-74)

[Jian]

>>>>>[If you are indeed willing to be such a gracious host, I'll pay you a visit.]<<<<<

--Delir Emet (19:58:21/11-25-74)

[Mirikon]

>>>>>[I'll call Xerena and see if she can make it. I remember the last stay we had in one of your hotels was quite good. Might see if I can't break Murphy away as well. From what I hear, the kid's been doing well for himself, and now that all the Project Freedom stuff is settling down, it might be good for him to get a vacation.]<<<<<

--Iceblade (01:09:12/11-26-74)

[All4BigGuns]

>>>>>[We're just packing up to start heading back. Might be a nice stop on the way back.]<<<<<

--Predator (01:10:09/11-26-2074)

[Kylen]

>>>>>[Speaking of Murphy, anyone see hide or hair of Money either? I know I've been busy up and down Seattle, but when he disappears, he's a freaking ghost (says the runner not well trained in tracking down people with less the a photo and "he's in this building").

As for the invite, I'll look into it. Outside of a few scare ops and a self-hired extract or two (nothing like guys thinking they are better off in a different corp. Just gotta make it look smooth and professional. 'Taser gloves' help out a lot, given my skills. As does a nice corp-style suit), business has been slow, but I have rent paid up through January, so we'll see what the trade winds bring in.

Oh, and the actual taser pistol is working out better then I thought. Good investment, especially when you don't really need to advertise that you're an adept...or mage. Seriously wondering why I fought so hard against it....probably still worried about slippery slopes though.]<<<<<

     --Card (22;32:04/11-26-74)