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Knight Errant Standard Officer Loadouts

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« Reply #15 on: <07-26-12/1617:39> »
I remember the old Lonestar book (RIP Nigel) had the load outs for a heavy SWAT or FRT team being Shotguns and Assault rifles, but also an assault cannon and maybe a mini gun.  SInce your team has 2 to 3 high strength characters, I'd think about kitting out with those.  (Personally in my SR world view, the proliferation of orks and trolls in the 6th world is why they have assault cannon and miniguns designed to be portable and even have things like shoulder stocks since no normal human could realistically fire one.)  Also if you're playing with Ares/KE, a nice laser weapon is too good to pass up. 

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« Reply #16 on: <07-26-12/1748:08> »
<snip> Not sure I'd go to Milspec armour due to price. <snip>
Price of weapons and equipment isn't really an issue for KE. They are the same company that's the world leading arms manufacturer. Even more than that, they're Damien Knight's personal pet project; he'll give them all the toys they need... up to and including tactical nukes to blow up a city.

As for KE and policing: It might be worth noting that KE is currently being led by Clayton Wilson, the man who originally founded Lonestar and responsible for making it the world's largest police/private-security agency. This man knows how to make them act like a police force instead of a military organization.

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« Reply #17 on: <07-26-12/1832:14> »
<snip> Not sure I'd go to Milspec armour due to price. <snip>
As for KE and policing: It might be worth noting that KE is currently being led by Clayton Wilson, the man who originally founded Lonestar and responsible for making it the world's largest police/private-security agency. This man knows how to make them act like a police force instead of a military organization.

Funny thing about ol' CLayton ... while he loved him some cowboy movies, he wasn't an ex-cop or a Texas Ranger or anything like that.

He's a corporate raider.

Wilson's whole stock in trade was to look around, find bargains, zip in, rip the place up, keep the profitable parts, hurl the leftovers into some dummy's hands who'd pay him far too much for it, then laugh all the way to the bank. He only got into security because A) he had a fetish for Texas Rangers and, far more importantly, B) he saw instability ahead and knew that he could make Mad Phat Bank off of security services. He's a clever man, not a genius but aware of trends, charasmatic, and bold. He saw a chance to make money and did so.

He's not the guy people think he is.

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« Reply #18 on: <07-26-12/2131:12> »
<snip> Not sure I'd go to Milspec armour due to price. <snip>
Price of weapons and equipment isn't really an issue for KE. They are the same company that's the world leading arms manufacturer. Even more than that, they're Damien Knight's personal pet project; he'll give them all the toys they need... up to and including tactical nukes to blow up a city.

It still costs a company something to make the gear and a weapon/armour "given" to KE is one they can't sell somewhere else for profit. I can't see mega-corps becoming such by ignoring the bottom line that way. Cheap MilSpec armour is more than a car in price and not really needed when SWAT would do at a third the price. I mean if price is no object, then why doesn't KE patrol in GMC Banshees (Ares owns that corp) and use orbital lasers for a SWAT team?
Really, for me, that level of gearing up just breaks the illusion. Standard cops roaming the streets in milspec gear with riot cars is just too much. I can't even see it for SWAT. We are talking about cops here, not the military and not corp-sec at a high security facility. And they can't even reuse the milspec armour since it is custom fitted to the user.
Shadowrunners break these rules because they pay for their own gear, don't pay taxes and don't have to answer to anyone else for their actions. They are one offs for the most part; 1 assault rifle, 1 suit of armour, 1 SMG. Once we step up to corps and governments, you get into 100s or 1000s of an item and all the crap that goes along with it.  Maintenance, ammo supply, quartermaster to track it all.
The OP asked about standard kits for KE cops. So some armour, a sidearm, commlink and restraints. Some heavier stuff in the car if things go wrong but in that case they should call in SWAT. Even if the cop wanted this stuff, unless he buys it himself, the corp isn't just going to hand it out. Too expensive and better saved for spec ops or SWAT.

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« Reply #19 on: <07-27-12/0235:56> »
<snip> Not sure I'd go to Milspec armour due to price. <snip>
Price of weapons and equipment isn't really an issue for KE. They are the same company that's the world leading arms manufacturer. Even more than that, they're Damien Knight's personal pet project; he'll give them all the toys they need... up to and including tactical nukes to blow up a city.

Right about here, many people working for corps groaned at the idea of having adequate gear to do their job, and those in IT threw a monitor. :)

Corps don't get rich by giving things away. They keep paperclips locked in a storage closet that only one person gets a key for, and everyone who gets a box has to sign a clipboard to keep a count. Palletjacks with bad wheels, but that still roll, are kept in use with duct tape and prayers, and police officers get to fill out a sheet of paperwork for each and every bullet fired.

Heck, bar codes were invented so that the Army could keep inventory!

I'm certain that there's at least one IT guy in the thread somewhere... how easy is it to get your servers updated to the newest standards?

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« Reply #20 on: <07-27-12/0349:14> »

I'm certain that there's at least one IT guy in the thread somewhere... how easy is it to get your servers updated to the newest standards?
I work for a video game company and we're running on last year's tech patched with duct tape and bubble gum.

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« Reply #21 on: <07-27-12/0502:20> »
Well...Let's look at what the RL LAPD has...

Officer has his side-arm, a taser, his baton, and the best non-military ballistic armour vest(Last I heard..Dragon Scale?).
In the front seat, in the console, he has a 12 Gauge pump shotgun.
In the trunk he has "The Locker." It includes an AR-15, Grenade launcher with: Tear Gas, Concussion, Flash-Bang
    grenades. Rounding it out: a military surplus, disposable LAW.

In Shadowrun, we can suppose that the side-arm would be a Predator IV to go with the smartlink in his glasses,
an armoured jacket with FFBA underneath(one of which likely with Non-Conductive 6), a taser and stun-baton.
The Locker would likely have an Ares Alpha with the same basic grenade loads, and a light anti-armour rocket/missile.
This is going to be the set up for their "Beat Cops."

Each Beat Cop, I expect, will also be reporting to a mobile command vehicle(the Citymaster with 6 guys in it). This
mobile command vehicle doubles as a HTRT for the Beat Cops, monitors their vitals, and runs the drones above its
assigned patrol area. The guys inside there..will have Security-grade armour with helmets with their smartlinks,
etc. They will likely carry standard the Ares Alpha, with a CC Spec carrying an Ares Beta and a Heavy Spec who
can grab a Thunderstruck or Machinegun as need arises. Backup weapons in the Big Locker will likely include
heavy anti-vehicle missile, and HVARs.

From there, of course, the command vehicle can call upon SWAT or any other resources needed. Likely, the
command vehicle will also dispatch the Hearts and Mind Beat Cops where they are needed for lower threat
calls(the domestic violcence complaints, the shoplifting, etc) while they respond to the higher threat calls
(armed robbery, guns fired within city limits, etc).

At least..this is how I would run Knight Errant.

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« Reply #22 on: <07-27-12/1731:43> »
Why the hell does the LAPD carry a rocket launcher?  ???

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« Reply #23 on: <07-27-12/1734:45> »
Why the f&%# does the LAPD carry a rocket launcher?  ???

Because things like the North Hollywood Shootout, armored car jackings, and Compton have taught that it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, I suppose

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« Reply #24 on: <07-27-12/1826:16> »
Sorry, Mara, but where are you getting the info that every LAPD cruiser keeps a LAW in the trunk?

Because the closest to that I've ever heard is their SWAT (along with many other SWAT teams, don't get me wrong) having regular access to 37 or 40mm grenade launchers (primarily for tear gas, CS, and whatnot).  I've never heard anything about milsurp LAWs being ANYTHING like standard issue, with any American police force.
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« Reply #25 on: <07-27-12/1845:18> »
According to Wikipedia's LAPD Article:

S&W 4566 .45ACP or Glock 22/17 or Beretta 92FS
Ithaca Model 37 Shotgun (upgrading to semi-auto M4 Super 90 currently)
37mm grenade launcer
Certified officers carry an AR-15 firing .223

Edit: there's a huge list of acceptable pistols, all Glock, Beretta, or S&W, and mostly 9mm or .45 ACP

Edit 2: Apparently the beat cop body armor isn't so hot either, intended mainly to stop .22 caliber or 9mm rounds

Edit 3: I keep finding things. Even U.S. military police arent much better off; trade the AR-15 for M4s, the Ithaca for semi-auto Mossbergs, and throw in full Kevlar vest and helmet when necessary. Also, an X26 TASER, which LAPD doesnt consider standard issue strangely.
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« Reply #26 on: <07-27-12/2014:49> »
Sorry, Mara, but where are you getting the info that every LAPD cruiser keeps a LAW in the trunk?

Because the closest to that I've ever heard is their SWAT (along with many other SWAT teams, don't get me wrong) having regular access to 37 or 40mm grenade launchers (primarily for tear gas, CS, and whatnot).  I've never heard anything about milsurp LAWs being ANYTHING like standard issue, with any American police force.

Show on history channel a couple years ago where the officer showed what they had in the locker in their trunk.
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« Reply #27 on: <07-27-12/2341:56> »
and they did have to take on a stolen tank once, on the highway...............
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« Reply #28 on: <07-28-12/0412:59> »
and they did have to take on a stolen tank once, on the highway...............
Still doesn't make sense. The best a LAW can hope for against an M1A1 is to knock a tread off. But still, military hardware like that in the hands of cops is a bit far-fetched in the real world. Way too much collateral.

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« Reply #29 on: <07-28-12/0517:49> »
Yeah, sorry, I just don't buy it.  The militarization of the police is a very real thing, don't get me wrong, but I don't see LAWs being in the trunk of your average cruiser, LAPD or otherwise.