[Halancar]

Street Magic has the Pulse spell, a Manipulation spell that destroys standard RFID tags. It's LOS(A), and presumably not meant to be aimed at the tags themselves (it sends a pulse of electromagnetic energy, so it's the equivalent of an indirect combat spell, except it's a manipulation one). So it would be just a matter of amping the spell to the point where it can affect stealth RFID tags.

[Mirikon]

Mirkon, if that were the case, then the sterilize spell would not function (for those wondering, yes, it destroys bacteria, viruses, and stray body cells).  Since those are not visible to the naked eye, I'd say that a spell that let you nuke RFID's is possible, but difficult.

Different class of spell, Gun Nut.

What we're talking about would be a Demolish RFID spell. Which is a direct combat spell. Which requires you to see the target. While Sludge RFID would destroy tags you couldn't see, being an indirect combat spell, it would only affect the RFIDs on the surface of an object, since it doesn't penetrate through the stuff that isn't RFIDs.

Sterilize, on the other hand, is a Manipulation spell, which operates under different guidelines from combat spells.

[DaveDaveDaave]

Isn`t E- Sensing for VKs a pretty reliable way of finding em? Granted getting rid of all of em would be a collosal ball ache?

[wolfrider66]

Thanks for the page reference Halancar. That did the trick. Slam-0 would most certainly have a contact that could get 'clean' feedstock for him. The question is would he pay for it.

[The_Gun_Nut]

Mirkon, if that were the case, then the sterilize spell would not function (for those wondering, yes, it destroys bacteria, viruses, and stray body cells).  Since those are not visible to the naked eye, I'd say that a spell that let you nuke RFID's is possible, but difficult.

Different class of spell, Gun Nut.

What we're talking about would be a Demolish RFID spell. Which is a direct combat spell. Which requires you to see the target. While Sludge RFID would destroy tags you couldn't see, being an indirect combat spell, it would only affect the RFIDs on the surface of an object, since it doesn't penetrate through the stuff that isn't RFIDs.

Sterilize, on the other hand, is a Manipulation spell, which operates under different guidelines from combat spells.

So make it as a Manipulation spell?

I'm not seeing the problem, here.

[Orvich]

It wasn't so much a "Demolish RFID (physically)" spell as much as a "Nullify RFID", destroying the data therein spell. It would not be able to differentiate between stealth RFIDs and normal RFIDs, but it could work just as suggested, creating an area, emp-type emanation.

All you'd have to do is cast it after creating the object, so that destroying the desirable RFIDs in the feedstock wouldn't be a problem.

[Mirikon]

It wasn't so much a "Demolish RFID (physically)" spell as much as a "Nullify RFID", destroying the data therein spell. It would not be able to differentiate between stealth RFIDs and normal RFIDs, but it could work just as suggested, creating an area, emp-type emanation.

All you'd have to do is cast it after creating the object, so that destroying the desirable RFIDs in the feedstock wouldn't be a problem.

Except that EMPs don't have any effect on optical chips, like what is in RFIDs. There isn't any magic that can reach into an optical chip and erase data, not with current magical theory. That is still the domain of hackers.

[_Pax_]

RFIDs are not optical chips.

That's not how RFID chips work.  They have to be electronic.  Their very POWER SOURCE (ambient radio signals) requires it.

[Lysanderz]

Alright, now I am by no means a hacker expert, but I think I have a solution that could make sense.

RFID tags broadcast at set frequencies right? So couldn't you just scan the shit out of a bulk load of feed stock and pick up the (I'm gonna assume) several signals, then hack the shit out of them (Since they will broadcast on those frequencies)? I mean, only the original scan would be time consuming right? Then just set out an agent to go change all identified RFID's one by one? Then again, maybe I am nuts.

[_Pax_]

RFIDs don't constantly broadcast - at least, not he Stealth tags.

[Lysanderz]

But they respond when pinged, no?

[beowulf_of_wa]

only when pinged in a set freq using a set pattern /code

[JustADude]

Actually, guys, the discussion is kinda moot.

There's already a spell in Street Magic called "Pulse"... and, yes, it's Manipulation... that creates an EMP blast that specifically state it'll short out RFID tags and other non-optical circuits. Just have to beat their Object Resistance.

I would assume Hardening adds to the OR for this, but that's just my interpretation.

[Lysanderz]

only when pinged in a set freq using a set pattern /code

Right, so running a scanner over several frequencies (Takes maybe a couple hours to go through them, and you don't even have to be present if you got a sprite or agent) and pinging them all that way would EVENTUALLY identify them all and you could get to deprogramming them. Right?

[CanRay]

Right, so running a scanner over several frequencies (Takes maybe a couple hours to go through them, and you don't even have to be present if you got a sprite or agent) and pinging them all that way would EVENTUALLY identify them all and you could get to deprogramming them. Right?

In a few days or weeks more like.  The signal can be anything.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanything.