[DarkLloyd]

Oooh, another good idea.

This is good.  Great idea.

Thank you. Now any Ideas on blast radius?
 * Should it be the full 10 meters of normal grenades?
 * Half that?
What Damage rating?
And the all important question, "taze me bro" effect or not?
 

[Redmercury]

Definitely "don't tase me bro"
The radius should probably be half normal with full effect area-wide.
I'm thinking 8s for damage. Maybe 10s if you want to get all technical about the conditional modifiers. (grounding, number of targets etc..)

[beowulf_of_wa]

variant that fires an EMP effect, thru the same cloud of dust?

[JustADude]

Definitely "don't tase me bro"
The radius should probably be half normal with full effect area-wide.
I'm thinking 8s for damage. Maybe 10s if you want to get all technical about the conditional modifiers. (grounding, number of targets etc..)

Ageed. Reduced area keeps it from being strictly "Flashbang+".

[Redmercury]

And a non-degrading radius of ten meters makes flashbangs "+" enough as it is. This one hits those beefed up trolls where it hurts though. Talk about making a non-lethal getaway too, in reference to vehicle chases.

[Ghoulfodder]

Hi first post newbie here.

I'd probably work on the a rubber ball claymore mine that's been miniaturised into a handgrenade and has had the rubber balls replaced with stick n shock pellets.
Stingmore mine info.
http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Police-and-Homeland-Security-Equipment/I-454-Stingmore-Mine-United-States.html
Johnny Knoxville testing it on Jackass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7JPFg2V27A

[Mithlas]

A more realistic, and less mohawk style, grenade might be a microcharge (like the kind in splash grenades) that fires capacitor-laden gel (like stick & shock rounds) in all direction. Would probably be somewhat expensive though.

Or you could make it an air burst micro flack grenade, filling the air around it with metallic dust then hit that cloud with a capacitored burst and you have an electric FAE. A full stun rating throughout the blast zone but no overlapping and no "chunky salsa".

These sound like the most realistic options, and would seem to be easily incorporated into the Shadowrunverse. I may even use the conductive-gel version...

[DaveDaveDaave]

Plus if you are using fine metalic powder it has the added bonus of making people it hits..... all sparkly and glittery.

[Mithlas]

Plus if you are using fine metalic powder it has the added bonus of making people it hits..... all sparkly and glittery.

Right before it lights them ablaze...

Oh, wait, I'm thinking of magnesium shavings.

[beowulf_of_wa]

now that is a whole new twist on the term flash-bang!!

may need to add a touch of powdered aluminum.

[The Dark Warden]

Plus if you are using fine metalic powder it has the added bonus of making people it hits..... all sparkly and glittery.

Right before it lights them ablaze...

Oh, wait, I'm thinking of magnesium shavings.

Would there be a problem with comibining the two?

seriously though, in the interests of completeness the other possibility I can think of which hasn't come up so far would  be LIPC tech where a laser is used to create an ionized channel for the electrical charge to jump across (it's been floating around for a while as an Idea for "wireless" Tasers though to my knowledge none of them have got beyond the prototype stage (although this could make a fun door for the Shadowrunners to get past.  ) shrinking it down to grenade size would be a trick since it's effectively a two stage system: the laser and the electrical discharge, so it would probably be bulky and energy hungry but I can't think of any particular reason why you *couldn't* do it that way but barring some advancements in energy storage I can't imagine you'd be able to get it to run very long so it's probably something more suited to one of those roller drones from the espionage section rather than a proper grenade.

[Mithlas]

The other possibility I can think of which hasn't come up so far would  be LIPC tech where a laser is used to create an ionized channel for the electrical charge to jump across (it's been floating around for a while as an Idea for "wireless" Tasers though to my knowledge none of them have got beyond the prototype stage

I know I've heard a lot of complaints about War!, but on p155 there's the Ares Shockbeam that uses exactly this principle. Although I agree with your idea, having it in a drone would be more likely a more likely near-future use of it. Actually, I'm surprised that I haven't seen a drone armed with a laser or shock-weapon of some form, as it would be more likely able to handle the weight and massive batteries needed to run the weapon for a while (as opposed to making due with a Main Battle Troll).

[Redmercury]

Weapons that use only electricity sound ideal for drones. The lack of moving parts would really boost reliability, and they'd operate off of something they already have to have to operate.

[beowulf_of_wa]

tasers and lasers and flash-bangs! oh joy!!!

[AndyNakamura]

Y'know, there is a riot control device IRL that is essentially a Claymore mine firing a bunch of taser darts. Can't for the life of me remember the name. Help?