[Wildcard]

@ wildcard, I've owned those miniatures. The pictures do not align with what comes out of the box. I've owned several of those miniatures and they dont match to the picture when you get them home and out of the box. Therians especially.

There are unboxing videos on youtube of at-43 product. They look similar to pictures I've seen of the same minis.

Oh and Anecdotal on your own set of stuff(see how easy its to do that?)

10 points for attempting to verb the word Anecdotal.  Hats off to you sir.

Just because you cant doesnt mean one cant. You probably werent taught well. Couple colors and then dipping makes it very easy. Especially when you have to do 20,30,40 of the same model.

Truestory. Out of that box of garbage, the owner of ScrapyardArmory made me this beauty.



He tried teaching me. I still suck. It's also a pain in the ass. I get no pleasure from painting or assembling.

Going with unfinished (here referring to miniatures that come in parts) and unpainted miniatures subsets an already small market.

[Black]

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=zombicide&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=S4YJUa6mDqSKmQWdmIDoCA&biw=768&bih=928&sei=f4YJUZDrO4qKkwWA2YFQ

Zombiecide minis, I think also made by coolminiornot.  The survivors look good... I am very optimistic on this product. I also loved their relic knights stuff.

[kboleen]

Has there been any prototype pictures released yet?

[CanRay]

They look better than what "paint your own" do when you try to do it yourself and don't have either those 'years of experience' or 'gobs of natural talent'.

Or have a twitchy hand and a shattered elbow.   

[All4BigGuns]

@ wildcard, I've owned those miniatures. The pictures do not align with what comes out of the box. I've owned several of those miniatures and they dont match to the picture when you get them home and out of the box. Therians especially.

There are unboxing videos on youtube of at-43 product. They look similar to pictures I've seen of the same minis.

Oh and Anecdotal on your own set of stuff(see how easy its to do that?)

10 points for attempting to verb the word Anecdotal.  Hats off to you sir.

Just because you cant doesnt mean one cant. You probably werent taught well. Couple colors and then dipping makes it very easy. Especially when you have to do 20,30,40 of the same model.

Truestory. Out of that box of garbage, the owner of ScrapyardArmory made me this beauty.



He tried teaching me. I still suck. It's also a pain in the ass. I get no pleasure from painting or assembling.

Going with unfinished (here referring to miniatures that come in parts) and unpainted miniatures subsets an already small market.

I'm beginning to suspect that he's one of the elitist wargamers* who thinks that you're "n00b" if you don't assemble and paint yourself (thankfully I haven't run into any of that sort here).

* Whether he actually is or not, I don't know, and I honestly hope I'm wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting.

[Black]

Has there been any prototype pictures released yet?

Not that I've found.  Maybe too early for that.  The Facebook shadowrun page appears to be the best source of info on sprawl Ganges so far.

https://www.facebook.com/shadowrun

[Black]

They look better than what "paint your own" do when you try to do it yourself and don't have either those 'years of experience' or 'gobs of natural talent'.

Or have a twitchy hand and a shattered elbow.   

Ok, do we have any volunteers to paint canray's gang for him?  I understand that he really likes PInk Mohawk style..

[Cherno]

As has been noted, the Rackham AT-43 miniatures on the photos are studio painted, while the ones from the retail boxes were painted in China. However,  the At-43 stuff still looked very good, although the Operation Damocles box set had a lower quality than the normal unit boxes.

On the whole pre-painted vs. bare plastic discussion, a compromise could be the way Fantasy Flight Games has handled their DUST game. Normal box set is primed in green for U.S. or Grey for German troops, so the miniatures look o.k. on the table but are also ready to paint straight away. For people with a little more cash, the box set was available fully painted.

[Black]

So the game, I think, comes with two gangs. If they made each gang a seperate solid colour, that would alleviate the issue somewhat. Hmm... Agree.

[carmachu]

There are unboxing videos on youtube of at-43 product. They look similar to pictures I've seen of the same minis.

Dont care. I've played AT43(along with a host of other games some that made it GW, Warmahordes, infinity and some that didnt-VOR, confrontation(now those were minis I really really miss)) and minis dont align with the pictures I've seen.

Truestory. Out of that box of garbage, the owner of ScrapyardArmory made me this beauty.



He tried teaching me. I still suck. It's also a pain in the ass. I get no pleasure from painting or assembling.

Going with unfinished (here referring to miniatures that come in parts) and unpainted miniatures subsets an already small market.

Oh I believe it. I may not paint wellm but I can make anything with minis and a knife, drill and such. I LOVE that part of gaming. I get no pleasure myself from painting, but I love building stuff.

[carmachu]

I'm beginning to suspect that he's one of the elitist wargamers* who thinks that you're "n00b" if you don't assemble and paint yourself (thankfully I haven't run into any of that sort here).

* Whether he actually is or not, I don't know, and I honestly hope I'm wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting.

You would be wrong. Well, partly wrong. I dont blame people for not wanting to.  But throwing your hands up in the air and saying "its impossible" bothers me. What happens if someone said that about playing shadowrun ruleset? Pick any edition.

I enjoy building models. I HATE painting them. I'm better then I was 20 years ago, but not nearly anywhere near my visionn wants it to be. But I can build almost anything given time, but thats becuase thats the part I love most. Prepainted robs me of that.

*shrug* I want what I want from a RPG/Gaming experience. Unpainted miniatures is part of that. Just like in another thread I want honset to god dead tree books. There might be some great PDF items out there, but when its only PDF, its not what I want. If you like PDF's or prepainted minis, more power to you. But while I wont demand that folks do it MY way, I'll also vote with my wallet. PDF only or Prepainted keeps that money in my wallet.

 There's a reason Paizo gets MORE of my money then Catalyst game labs. Paizo gives me what I want more of what I'm looking for in a game then Catalyst does. And I say that with a shelf full of shadowrun products.

[Wildcard]

There are unboxing videos on youtube of at-43 product. They look similar to pictures I've seen of the same minis.

Dont care. I've played AT43(along with a host of other games some that made it GW, Warmahordes, infinity and some that didnt-VOR, confrontation(now those were minis I really really miss)) and minis dont align with the pictures I've seen.

Thank you for your irrelevant apathy.

The point is we disagree, yet I'm providing proof of my assertion. Caring's got nothing to do with it.

[Cherno]

The prepaints look don't look much worse than the studio painted models, I doubt one could notice any difference in a YT video. The shading might be more subtle, more color vraiations and details picked out, but from one feet away, it would look just the same.

Bottom line:

Decent Prepaints for decent prices are possible.

As for Sprawl Gangers, I'd like to see them go the Sedition Wars path with nicely detailed models that are multipart but easy to put together.

I hope the different Weapons are realized the same way the old Space Crusade game did it, with little holes on the body and pegs on the arms and weapons.

[carmachu]

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Thank you for your irrelevant apathy.

The point is we disagree, yet I'm providing proof of my assertion. Caring's got nothing to do with it.

You did nothing of the sort in proving anything. You didnt even know the studio AT43 models were touched up painted by professionals when you posted those pictures.

[Critias]

Guys, how about you pretty, pretty, please drop the bickering and check the attitudes?  Let's not go two for two on snark getting Sprawl Ganger threads locked, huh?