[Linkdeath]

Hey Wak, what are we looking at there?

According to Mitch at Harebrained Schemes, Dolls. 

Yeah, but Jordan's rebuttal was that dolls are fuzzy and soft?!?! Jordan, when was the last time you saw a soft, fuzzy Barbie doll? He HAS to come up with a better argument than that!

But I'll agree they are dolls...in the same way that G.I. Joes and Transformers are dolls.

[Wakshaani]

Hey Wak, what are we looking at there?

Teh Shadowrun Duels figures from a few years back. I never got to get the whole set, sadly, but I've got most.

The game had issues, but the figures are *awesome*.

(And, yeah, they're around 6" tall for teh humans, so closer to dolls than action figures.)

[All4BigGuns]

If they're not at least one single piece or already assembled, there won't be a penny of my money going into these miniatures.

[Wakshaani]

Taht's a shame... a bottle of superglue ain't much.

(Again, odds are that most will be one piece, or one piece with a separate arm or a glue-on weapon, but there'll likely be a couple that are multi-part, like Orks, Trolls, or anyone with a heavy weapon.)

[All4BigGuns]

Taht's a shame... a bottle of superglue ain't much.

(Again, odds are that most will be one piece, or one piece with a separate arm or a glue-on weapon, but there'll likely be a couple that are multi-part, like Orks, Trolls, or anyone with a heavy weapon.)

I might have considered taking a chance if a certain poster hadn't made his elitist comments on the matter, like the one below.

I have always been of the opinion that if you have time to play the game then you have time to paint for the game.

Basically, that crud (a reminder of just how bad the 'war gamer' type can get) pretty much clinched my staying away from that product.

[Wakshaani]

Understandable, and I'll confess that while I've put minis-to-table for thirty years, I'm still a godawful painter... it's teh one part of the hobby that I hate. I enjoy building, and I LOVE playing, but painting, yearg.

And also note that I could be completely wrong ... we might get fully-painted plastics out of this. I doubt it, but, been wrong before and will be again, so.

Regardless, I hope you at least give the minis an eyeballing. Even if you don't play Sprawl Gangers the game, you might use the minis for the Shadowrun tabletop game. .

[All4BigGuns]

Understandable, and I'll confess that while I've put minis-to-table for thirty years, I'm still a godawful painter... it's teh one part of the hobby that I hate. I enjoy building, and I LOVE playing, but painting, yearg.

And also note that I could be completely wrong ... we might get fully-painted plastics out of this. I doubt it, but, been wrong before and will be again, so.

Regardless, I hope you at least give the minis an eyeballing. Even if you don't play Sprawl Gangers the game, you might use the minis for the Shadowrun tabletop game. .

An approximation for the character would likely be the only reason I'd even consider messing with Sprawl Gangers now. It's mainly the attitude of a lot of miniatures war game players (evidenced by the comment I quoted in the previous post) that will keep me away from it.

[Critias]

Understandable, and I'll confess that while I've put minis-to-table for thirty years, I'm still a godawful painter... it's teh one part of the hobby that I hate. I enjoy building, and I LOVE playing, but painting, yearg.

And also note that I could be completely wrong ... we might get fully-painted plastics out of this. I doubt it, but, been wrong before and will be again, so.

Regardless, I hope you at least give the minis an eyeballing. Even if you don't play Sprawl Gangers the game, you might use the minis for the Shadowrun tabletop game. .

An approximation for the character would likely be the only reason I'd even consider messing with Sprawl Gangers now. It's mainly the attitude of a lot of miniatures war game players (evidenced by the comment I quoted in the previous post) that will keep me away from it.

Great. 

If the internet keeps up at this pace, no one will buy anything, ever.

[CanRay]

Great. 

If the internet keeps up at this pace, no one will buy anything, ever.

But, but, but...  I just came out with a new book!

[Black]

Hey Wak, what are we looking at there?

Teh Shadowrun Duels figures from a few years back. I never got to get the whole set, sadly, but I've got most.

The game had issues, but the figures are *awesome*.

(And, yeah, they're around 6" tall for teh humans, so closer to dolls than action figures.)

Ahhhh... Yes, I've got four or five of them still in their packaging sitting in the bottom of a cupboard.  Really dont know what to do with them.  They belong with a kid.  Their action figures, not minis.  The scale is far to big.

[Black]

Understandable, and I'll confess that while I've put minis-to-table for thirty years, I'm still a godawful painter... it's teh one part of the hobby that I hate. I enjoy building, and I LOVE playing, but painting, yearg.

And also note that I could be completely wrong ... we might get fully-painted plastics out of this. I doubt it, but, been wrong before and will be again, so.

Regardless, I hope you at least give the minis an eyeballing. Even if you don't play Sprawl Gangers the game, you might use the minis for the Shadowrun tabletop game. .

An approximation for the character would likely be the only reason I'd even consider messing with Sprawl Gangers now. It's mainly the attitude of a lot of miniatures war game players (evidenced by the comment I quoted in the previous post) that will keep me away from it.

Bigs, you should never let someone else's attitude stop you from doing something.  In most cases your going o be paying with people you know, so you don't need to worry about what other people think.

If they do come out unpainted, grab two cans of undercoat spray paint, and just colour the two sides different colors. 
Regardless, mini painting doesn't have to be art, it just has o be 'enough' and 'enough' is whatever you say it is.

[Cherno]

Here's a crazy thought: If people do things you don't like (such as playing with unpainted miniatures of insisting that you play with painted miniatures), do not socialize (play the game ) with them.

[Wildcard]

Depending on how they end up packaging the product, I could be in for a whole lot, or almost nothing.

If they ship out a box per gang, unpainted, unassembled, I doubt I'll be buying any of those.
If they ship out a box per gang, painted, assembled, I'll probably buy all of them.
If they ship out a single package setup, much like Battletech, I'll probably 3 or 4 of the ones that closest represent characters I play in the RPG, and have them painted and assembled.

[Mara]

Here's a crazy thought: If people do things you don't like (such as playing with unpainted miniatures of insisting that you play with painted miniatures), do not socialize (play the game ) with them.

Now, I think one of the problems some people have is that they do not see The Hobby the same way as others do. Some people just want to play. They are the Casual Hobbyists. The could care less about painting the miniatures or assembling them. They just want to sit down and play. After them, you have the Common Hobbyists. They just want their minis to look presentable when they play. They do the basic painting, maybe try some advanced painting techniques if they feel up to it, but, for the most part, you might see them putting down minis that are half-painted, or just primered. Next come the Elite Hobbyists. They are constantly trying to push their painting capabilities. The idea of putting a mini on the table that is just primered is anathema to them, and the worst you will see is a half-painted mini, and that half painted mini is probably going to be at a point where some people would be saying "Wow..that's already play ready!" and the Hobbyist will tell you exactly what is missing from it. And, of course, they will often buy minis just to paint them, with no intention of playing the game the mini comes from. Finally, you have the Hard Core Hobbyist. They mod everything, free hand designs, never put a mini that is not fully painted on the table, use advanced painting techniques on everything, do complex mods and paint jobs for painting competitions, and might even get paid to paint minis.

Pre-painted/Pre-assembled minis appeal to the Casual Hobbyist and to some degree to the Common Hobbyist, while un-painted, unassembled minis appeal to the Common Hobbyist on up. The questions comes down to: Which groups of Hobbyists are we appealing to? Which method will be the most cost effective? and Is CGL going to be staying primarily books while letting CMON work out like they currently use IWM for BattleTech or is CGL attempting to break out into the manufacture of minis?

[Sipowitz]

Taht's a shame... a bottle of superglue ain't much.

(Again, odds are that most will be one piece, or one piece with a separate arm or a glue-on weapon, but there'll likely be a couple that are multi-part, like Orks, Trolls, or anyone with a heavy weapon.)

I might have considered taking a chance if a certain poster hadn't made his elitist comments on the matter, like the one below.

I have always been of the opinion that if you have time to play the game then you have time to paint for the game.

Basically, that crud (a reminder of just how bad the 'war gamer' type can get) pretty much clinched my staying away from that product.

Now that is some screwed up logic there dude.  "I" have to bow to your whims?   I'm not even allowed to have an opinion on the matter?
Let's look at reality here for a minute.  What prepainted games are still around?  Yet, you want CGL to follow this method?

Here's a crazy thought: If people do things you don't like (such as playing with unpainted miniatures of insisting that you play with painted miniatures), do not socialize (play the game ) with them.

Now, I think one of the problems some people have is that they do not see The Hobby the same way as others do. Some people just want to play. They are the Casual Hobbyists. The could care less about painting the miniatures or assembling them. They just want to sit down and play. After them, you have the Common Hobbyists. They just want their minis to look presentable when they play. They do the basic painting, maybe try some advanced painting techniques if they feel up to it, but, for the most part, you might see them putting down minis that are half-painted, or just primered. Next come the Elite Hobbyists. They are constantly trying to push their painting capabilities. The idea of putting a mini on the table that is just primered is anathema to them, and the worst you will see is a half-painted mini, and that half painted mini is probably going to be at a point where some people would be saying "Wow..that's already play ready!" and the Hobbyist will tell you exactly what is missing from it. And, of course, they will often buy minis just to paint them, with no intention of playing the game the mini comes from. Finally, you have the Hard Core Hobbyist. They mod everything, free hand designs, never put a mini that is not fully painted on the table, use advanced painting techniques on everything, do complex mods and paint jobs for painting competitions, and might even get paid to paint minis.

Pre-painted/Pre-assembled minis appeal to the Casual Hobbyist and to some degree to the Common Hobbyist, while un-painted, unassembled minis appeal to the Common Hobbyist on up. The questions comes down to: Which groups of Hobbyists are we appealing to? Which method will be the most cost effective? and Is CGL going to be staying primarily books while letting CMON work out like they currently use IWM for BattleTech or is CGL attempting to break out into the manufacture of minis?

It is the billion dollar question.