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Title: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Ninja137 on <04-25-13/1144:31>
If you have an ITS Gonryu from War!, and you fire off a Full Burst of 10 grenades. How exactly is damage handled in a reasonable way? The normal damage for a grenade or grenade launcher is based off of a single grenade exploding, so it seems odd that you'd only apply the damage mod from Full Burst to it.

How would it work if you were to use Splash Grenades, in an order of something like this: Betameth, Guts, K-10, Red Mescaline, and Warp with two sets of each of these 5. What happens?

It seems like the rules don't really cover it adequately here, since Full Burst/Long Burst doesn't feel right.

EDIT: Replaced Woad with Warp, because why not.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Elektrycerze3 on <04-25-13/1200:10>
How would it work if you were to use Splash Grenades, in an order of something like this: Betameth, Guts, K-10, Red Mescaline, and Woad with two sets of each of these 5. What happens?

Mother of God! I really hope that's a theoretical question!  :o
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Ninja137 on <04-25-13/1203:27>
I'm curious how it works. My gut is to just go with normal grenade rules, except that you've got 10 or so grenades flying out of the thing.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Ninja137 on <04-25-13/1412:28>
Anyone know how it'd work? Would it effectively resolve as 10 grenade attacks at the target with individual scatter rolls? Would you just roll once for the attack, determine scatter for each, and apply grenade damage as normal for all 10? Would it really just be a +9 DV when that doesn't make any sense at all? How does it work for the drug grenades?
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Mirikon on <04-25-13/1556:49>
Look in WAR! There's rules for overlapping grenades.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Ninja137 on <04-25-13/1640:06>
Look in WAR! There's rules for overlapping grenades.
I see them, but I'm not quite sure how exactly it works. Could someone please give an example of how it would work with 10 HE grenades?
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Mirikon on <04-25-13/1702:21>
Its simple. Roll Scatter for the individual grenades. Calculate the distance (and therefore the damage) of each grenade to targets in the overlapping area. Take the highest DV, and add half the DV of each of the other overlapping blasts together. Apply AP and soak as normal.

Basically, when dealing with 10 HE grenades, you're looking at chunky salsa out in the open air. Doing this in an enclosed space applies the chunky salsa effect ON TOP OF the Overlapping grenades effect.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Shaidar on <04-26-13/0054:21>
Except that modern (2070) grenades come factory standard WiFi enabled and can be set via PAN with a Change Linked Device Mode action to detonate on impact.  If you choose this option you fire the weapon just like a normal weapon with the following changes:

1) Apply Heavy Weapons un-compensated Recoil doubling.
2) If you miss then roll scatter normally for grenades.
3) Add net hits only against the main target who defends normally.  Everyone else within the Blast Radius ignores the net hits and takes normal grenade damage.
4) Chemical/Toxin Grenades loaded with Inhalation vector chems increase the time it remains in the air and able to be inhaled.  All other chemical effects remain unchanged.

If you elect to Burst Fire grenades normally, determine scatter for EACH grenade in the burst then calculate the DV from each grenade based on the range from target.  Then arrange them in order of highest to lowest net DV, then divide all but the highest DV in half, total the remaining DVs together.  The target then resists the final totalled DV.

Your 10 HE grenade example depends on your choice before you fire the grenades, detonate on impact or area effect.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Red Canti on <04-26-13/2254:40>
If you have an ITS Gonryu from War!, and you fire off a Full Burst of 10 grenades. How exactly is damage handled in a reasonable way?
We've left reasonable behind about 8 grenades ago.

Far be it from me to suggest a bit of caution. But...
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How would it work if you were to use Splash Grenades, in an order of something like this: Betameth, Guts, K-10, Red Mescaline, and Warp with two sets of each of these 5. What happens?
Comedy Gold.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: All4BigGuns on <04-26-13/2258:19>
Just say No to grenades and rockets. I've never seen them do much good against opponents, but I have seen them one-shot entire teams (minus one member).
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Michael Chandra on <04-26-13/2301:00>
Eh, if a player wants to bring grenades to the table, let 'em.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: All4BigGuns on <04-26-13/2305:19>
I don't believe in banning things. That last one was trying to warn people away from taking them for their characters. I don't want anyone else to suffer as I have on that.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: CanRay on <04-26-13/2310:13>
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How would it work if you were to use Splash Grenades, in an order of something like this: Betameth, Guts, K-10, Red Mescaline, and Warp with two sets of each of these 5. What happens?
Comedy Gold.
Drug interactions that would cause a fatal case of death.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Mirikon on <04-26-13/2311:02>
Flashbangs and smoke grenades are a lot of fun. As for the others, it all depends on how you use them.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Red Canti on <04-26-13/2322:14>
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How would it work if you were to use Splash Grenades, in an order of something like this: Betameth, Guts, K-10, Red Mescaline, and Warp with two sets of each of these 5. What happens?
Comedy Gold.
Drug interactions that would cause a fatal case of death.
Are you trying to tell me that isn't funny as hell?
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: DamienHollow on <04-26-13/2337:39>
Anyone else find gas grenades with leal or Ex hilarious?
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: DaveDaveDaave on <04-27-13/0005:06>
I still think DMSO and horse laxative is my grenade loadout of choice. It`s the gift that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: All4BigGuns on <04-27-13/0013:03>
Nah, use a cocktail of the one that makes one go into a rage along with the one that makes one forget things. That way, they'll go on a murderous rampage, kill a bunch of people and end up imprisoned without even knowing why they're in prison.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Red Canti on <04-27-13/0041:27>
I still think DMSO and horse laxative is my grenade loadout of choice. It`s the gift that keeps on giving.
DMSO is a must if we're going Chem Warfare. But I'd prefer Psychotropics. Give the suit and ties something to think about over the weekend.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: DaveDaveDaave on <04-27-13/1221:43>
Now there is a thought. If the security forces or attempting to contain frothing angry raving wageslaves who drank from a tainted water cooler they might be paying less attention elsewhere.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Red Canti on <04-27-13/1923:42>
Now there is a thought. If the security forces or attempting to contain frothing angry raving wageslaves who drank from a tainted water cooler they might be paying less attention elsewhere.
Or got splashed by tainted sprinklers when the fire alarm went off.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: mtfeeney = Baron on <04-27-13/2000:54>
Tainted sprinklers sounds like something that should be inappropriate for discussion on a public forum.  Women should cover the ears of children.  Men would grow angry and intimate physical aggression on the speaker.  It would also make a good song name for something written by Marilyn Manson... if he still writes songs.  Does he?
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: CanRay on <04-27-13/2111:52>
Tainted sprinklers sounds like something that should be inappropriate for discussion on a public forum.  Women should cover the ears of children.  Men would grow angry and intimate physical aggression on the speaker.  It would also make a good song name for something written by Marilyn Manson... if he still writes songs.  Does he?
We could get Rush to do it.  Or Uncle Alice.

Yeah, it sounds like something out of Alice Cooper, let's get Uncle Alice to do it!  ;D
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: mtfeeney = Baron on <04-27-13/2116:15>
By Jove!  I fully expect to see 'Tainted Sprinklers - Alice Cooper' on iTunes in the next few months.  Someone needs to let him know he's going to write this.
Title: Re: Grenades and Full Auto?
Post by: Mirikon on <04-27-13/2117:15>
Personally, I'd like to see a specially crafted Illusion or Mental Manipulation spell that made people see the world as though they were in a Bosch painting...