Shadowrun
Off-topic => General Gaming => Topic started by: Mystalya on <05-21-13/1737:37>
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So did anyone else watch the reveal? ;D
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Wow nobody? I is all alone. :'(
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All I heard was, "No backwards compatibility or ability to share with your friends" and instantly thought: "Wow, when did M$ do marketing for Valve?"
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I think you mean "when did valve start doing Microsoft's marketing?" Up to now, Microsoft has been very good about backwards compatibility in most of its products.
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I think it's cool that you can talk to it and tell it to do things. I would never use it though except to name it "Smithers" and tell it to do things for me. 8)
" I say Smithers, I wish to watch Archer on FX." *click*
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I'd rather less DRM for console myself. That was the main selling point on a lot of them for me. Especially backwards compatibility. (Sony f***ed that one up with the PS3!) And the PS4 won't be any kind of backwards at all except for "Cloud Streaming" whatever that means.
So, if I have to get something that has DRM in it, I might as well get the better performance on my PC.
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Yep, the only time it's worth playing on a console now is if the title is exclusive to that console.
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Yep, the only time it's worth playing on a console now is if the title is exclusive to that console.
Everyone loves to throw their eggs in the XBox basket but Nintendo has first party IP's out the wazoo that people pay $60 a pop for. When the other consoles are dead and gone because the PC ate them.....THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE.
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If they wouldn't get so greedy and stop screwing over their customer base, they might do better.
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Will stay with his crappy old Xbox, happly playing Cod (in all its versions), Halo, Mercanaries and best of all Shadowrun with the system link and this new bloody thing can go back to who evers brain dreamt it up (most forcefully insert in said brain).
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Backwards compatibility is a important reqiurement i think but then again theres no way to make more money if people ain't gonna buy new stuff
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Will stay with his crappy old Xbox, happly playing Cod (in all its versions), Halo, Mercanaries and best of all Shadowrun with the system link and this new bloody thing can go back to who evers brain dreamt it up (most forcefully insert in said brain).
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Backwards compatibility is a important reqiurement i think but then again theres no way to make more money if people ain't gonna buy new stuff
They are going to force people into downloading emulators and inadvertently pushing them towards PC and console modding if they keep it up honestly. Especially with disc DRM that shit needs to die. All it takes is ONE guy to crack it and rather than having to buy games used and deal with online passes and "Oh this is a used disc, buy a new one." People will just take the path of least resistance because nobody wants to pay money to be treated like a thief.
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i have never resorted to having mine modded but then again i believe in paying for a product and not pirating anything.... yes i know i live in the dark ages with my believes but that's the price for having moral and living by them.
But i can also understand why alot of people will mod their xboxes and why they pirate games, the prices are expensive as hell and so there is an incentive to cut out things that drive the price up or save you money.
I will not be buying one even if i could afford it (which i definitely can't), so all i'm gonna say is "Frag you Microcrap, stick it in ya hoop"
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DRM that stops people from playing used games isn't something that targets pirates, Hellion. Effectively, you CAN'T target pirates in the first place...
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There are other reasons to mod them. Mine is modded because the only way I have to get games is downloading. Microsoft doesn't allow legitimate sales of Xbox consoles or games, so the only thing you can get here are illegal by default.
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DRM that stops people from playing used games isn't something that targets pirates, Hellion. Effectively, you CAN'T target pirates in the first place...
Wasn't aware of it RHat thank you for correcting my misunderstanding.... The Frag you was meant to be directed at it not being backward compatabile part....
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The part I don't get is why they're so eager to piss off retailers...
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Because some small minded rectally endowed ass clown look at some sort of survey that shows the some small minority of the gaming community or possibly even just their own employees want it the way.... Or some other none sensical bullshit reason
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Because we live in a world where people will absolutely buy it. That means the retailers will absolutely buy and keep it in stock.
In short, "Because they can." Sometimes, the world makes me sad.
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A certain amount of it will be down to pressure from publishers - after all, they don't make money off used sales. However, used games are a very large part of the retail model for games these days. The margin for the retailer on a new game is terrible, so many rely on used sales for the bulk of their earnings. Hence why I'd expect a strong reaction from those companies.
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Yeah, I've bought like maybe two games in the past couple years: Dragon Age II and Tomb Raider. I bought my 360 used off eBay for $70. Way things stand, I'll probably look into emulators and cracked versions of games instead. If I'm going to be treated as a thief, I might as well be a thief and save myself some money along the way.
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Given that the CPU went from PowerPC on the 360 to x86 on the One it's not surprising there is no backwards compatability. And before somebody says "Emulators!", stop. Just stop. Emulation is only successful if you can get 1:1 performance based on the old hardware, and that's damned difficult to do. Otherwise you're just wasting people's time and adding on frustration. Don't believe me? Remember that the Playstation 3 launched with Playstation 2 hardware on the same board to allow for PS2 games to be played. That lasted one generation. The second generation went emulation, which worked for a lot of games but not all (I had about a 75% success rate). Third generation of the PS3 hardware? It was gone, and aside from the gnashing of teeth by a small group of gamers nobody really missed it (much like Linux on the PS3).
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In short, "Because they can." Sometimes, the world makes me sad.
You realize these are the Shadowrun forums, right?
We should be used to thinking this way. :'(
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Yeah, I've bought like maybe two games in the past couple years: Dragon Age II and Tomb Raider. I bought my 360 used off eBay for $70. Way things stand, I'll probably look into emulators and cracked versions of games instead. If I'm going to be treated as a thief, I might as well be a thief and save myself some money along the way.
Yep, and that's probably what a LOT of others will be doing.
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Yeah, I've bought like maybe two games in the past couple years: Dragon Age II and Tomb Raider. I bought my 360 used off eBay for $70. Way things stand, I'll probably look into emulators and cracked versions of games instead. If I'm going to be treated as a thief, I might as well be a thief and save myself some money along the way.
Yep, and that's probably what a LOT of others will be doing.
I'm going to stay legit, but get games for PC now. And Kickstart a lot more that don't have excessive DRM! Such as Shadowrun: Returns! ;D
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Yeah, I've bought like maybe two games in the past couple years: Dragon Age II and Tomb Raider. I bought my 360 used off eBay for $70. Way things stand, I'll probably look into emulators and cracked versions of games instead. If I'm going to be treated as a thief, I might as well be a thief and save myself some money along the way.
Yep, and that's probably what a LOT of others will be doing.
I'm going to stay legit, but get games for PC now. And Kickstart a lot more that don't have excessive DRM! Such as Shadowrun: Returns! ;D
I'll probably get about as many as I do now (almost none), but I tend to get bored quickly with video games these days. Too many are made to be difficult just to be difficult these days. Games like this Dark Souls game are a plague and blight upon video games.
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I think I'll just wait for Xbox one to be released and buy all the Xbox 360 games I can cheap and then make sure that I speak to a right fine gent who has a degree in electronics to maintain the Xbox 360 I have for ever and be a happy (not so) little Aussie munchkin :)
P.s those lovely people designing Assassin's Creed Black Flag better be releasing it on the 360 that's all I can say
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P.s those lovely people designing Assassin's Creed Black Flag better be releasing it on the 360 that's all I can say
So far it's slated for a rather wide release: PC, PS3, PS4, Wii U, XBox 360, and XBox One.
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I'm currently playing thru all of the series and will be most annoyed if they don't release it for the 360, it bugs me when they only release something on 1 system and not any of the others
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Shadowrun: Returns is going to have DRM, CanRay. There's a whole hubbub about it on their forums. Only the Kickstart donators can get a special DRM-free version. I know you said you'll use kickstarter, but I wanted to clarify that the game itself is not DRM-free.
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Personally stopped buying consoles and console games. Every time I try to get into one (friend says "ZOMG it's so good!) I end up selling the thing (buy used, way smarter). Consoles anymore are making the same game over and over. Very sad :(.
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Shadowrun: Returns is going to have DRM, CanRay. There's a whole hubbub about it on their forums. Only the Kickstart donators can get a special DRM-free version. I know you said you'll use kickstarter, but I wanted to clarify that the game itself is not DRM-free.
I stated "Excessive DRM". Like "Always Online" or "Has To Connect Once A Day" and such.
DRM has been around for quite awhile to try and combat pirates, and I know and understand why. But if it isn't a major pain or forces compulsory things that aren't available to everyone... Or worse. (http://youtu.be/RWcHMHz3NoA)
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wants to shoot whoever had the idea of DMR
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CD-Keys weren't bad, at least. Of course, then came online key-checks, and on, and on.
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The problem with CD keys was that if you wanted to install a game you hadn't played for a while... it was sometimes tough to find your old key. Then you have to head to the internet to find one that was shared online.
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The problem with CD keys was that if you wanted to install a game you hadn't played for a while... it was sometimes tough to find your old key. Then you have to head to the internet to find one that was shared online.
It's sometimes possible to pull the keys out of your registry but if you don't know what you're doing...then yeah, don't.
The part I don't get is why they're so eager to piss off retailers...
All they see is dollar signs. They see Gamestop taking some of "their" dollar signs and get mad and try to get their dollar signs back - totally unaware they are punishing the customer.
Companies like EA and Activision are devoid of souls.
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I'm talking about playing a game years after having played it the first time. That usually entails a different pc or a minimum of a wipe between playings.
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Shadowrun: Returns is going to have DRM, CanRay. There's a whole hubbub about it on their forums. Only the Kickstart donators can get a special DRM-free version. I know you said you'll use kickstarter, but I wanted to clarify that the game itself is not DRM-free.
That hubbub died down real quickly after HBS explained in more detail, by the way. There were still a few pissed backers that expressed it in various fraud accusations, but some people simply contacted HBS, asked for a refund, got it and it pretty much went away after that, even the accusations that HBS deliberately lied during the kickstarter campaign and that pretty much every compromise they had to make was legal fraud as well.
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I thought the kickstarter donators were getting a DRM-free version, why would they still be complaining? It's the rest of us that will be stuck with the DRM.
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If I recall correctly, a few people stated that the fact they wouldn't be able to get future expansions DRM-free meant the DRM-free version was a crippled version of the game, so they felt cheated or frauded. Others stated that they would not have backed if they had known normal buyers would only get a DRM-free version, since they refuse to support any kind of DRM and a game only available on Steam was not a game they were willing to support.
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DRM is a dirty word with a lot of folks, however, there is a reason for it. I freely admit it. However, it shouldn't be punishing. Steam Verification or CD Keys (Even a one-time online verification that can be done by DIAL-UP) is easy enough and not much of a problem, yet can help ensure legitimate sales and copies for the customer without being onerous to them.
Always Online for a single-player game or a Daily "Check-In" to make sure you're using the same machine on the same account (*Cough*X-Box One*Cough*) is a horrible idea and whoever thought of that idea should be kneecapped!
It's just that some folks can't (or won't) tell the difference between the first type and the second.
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CanRay, in some people's eyes the first and the second are equally distasteful. Sadly, many times I hear the justifications I see people who did not read the EULA that came with their software. "I bought this! I can do with this what I want, when I want, how I want!" Except...you didn't. You bought the license to run the application in a specific manner. I'm not surprised the games finally came around to this manner, the corporate world is chocked full of scenarios exactly like this. Ones with EULAs that are so detailed that (in the case of my employer) every single one goes to our Legal department for digesting and potential negotiation.
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CanRay, in some people's eyes the first and the second are equally distasteful.
Some people hold that opinion; that does not intrinsically mean that it is a reasonable point of view.
Of course, I generally disagree with DRM in principle due to the fact that it is entirely ineffective at what it is supposed to do, but still.
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http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-features-new-xbox-that-are-about-to-ruin-everything/
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http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-features-new-xbox-that-are-about-to-ruin-everything/
Awsome, Angelone. I think it means Shadowrun is almost here, if Microsoft is going to have a camera always on us.
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With what I heard about Xbox One, I will pass. My internet connection is really crappy and often times my 360 is what I can play while waiting for the internet to come back up. Seems that Xbox One won't even give me that option.
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Awsome, Angelone. I think it means Shadowrun is almost here, if Microsoft is going to have a camera always on us.
Yeah, I don't want my console watching me while I sleep for thoughtcrimes!With what I heard about Xbox One, I will pass. My internet connection is really crappy and often times my 360 is what I can play while waiting for the internet to come back up. Seems that Xbox One won't even give me that option.
Exactly this. And, with the number of gamers that live in rural areas (IE: A good part of CANADA!), as well as the number of units that servicemen use overseas...
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Yeah, I'll be passing on the next generation of consoles, it seems. I'll grab the PC version of Dragon Age III.
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Yeah, I don't want my console watching me while I sleep for thoughtcrimes!
On the plus side, they could make sure you are doing calisthenics and help out the Canadian healthcare system.
Yeah, I'll be passing on the next generation of consoles, it seems. I'll grab the PC version of Dragon Age III.
I'm still up in the air. It depends on how big a pain in the ass they make it. I may upgrade my gaming PC instead. I genuinely prefer to play everything except strategy games on a console. The higher game costs aren't a huge issue for me since I tend to obsess on one game and play it for a year straight. Anyway, I may have no gaming time left after SR Returns comes out.
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The thing I cant really get over is the "always on" camera in your living room. Seriously? Dos anyone actually WANT that?
(http://i.imgur.com/ME5Y8Xf.jpg)
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I would hope they'd configure it so that the camera is off when the console is off - after all, you don't need that part for the voice commands to work.
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I would hope they'd configure it so that the camera is off when the console is off - after all, you don't need that part for the voice commands to work.
You mean you don't want to accidentally film a porno and upload it to Facebook? xD
Weirdo. ::)
But yeah, one would think they had the foresight to do that. Most folk don't really turn their consoles "off" though they just go into a low power state and I don't know what effect that has on the camera. Unless you want to unplug it and take the ethernet cord out of it...
Def a console I would NOT buy on launch day. It's just scary.
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I love the potential the technology offers, but damn if there aren't some downsides too.
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But yeah, one would think they had the foresight to do that.
That's assuming that they don't intend on using it to spy on people. Personally, I think it very likely that such is very much the intent in the combination of the built-in camera and the requirement "always on" connection.
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But yeah, one would think they had the foresight to do that.
That's assuming that they don't intend on using it to spy on people. Personally, I think it very likely that such is very much the intent in the combination of the built-in camera and the requirement "always on" connection.
This is entirely possible, however without a warrant I don't think it could be. I have it on pretty good authority that MMO companies will comply with authorities and surrender records and personal information to help nab criminals but say you get a bunch of 18 year old kids in a living room smoking pot and get busted because "LolXBoxSpyCam". It just depends on how far they take it.
Then you have the case of the bored folk with nothing to do. The stories of the OnStar Reps spying on people just because exist for a reason. I don't know enough about the technology to confirm/dent whether something like that would be possible but it's a legitimate concern nonetheless.
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But yeah, one would think they had the foresight to do that.
That's assuming that they don't intend on using it to spy on people. Personally, I think it very likely that such is very much the intent in the combination of the built-in camera and the requirement "always on" connection.
I doubt it - their lawyers wouldn't let them if for no other reason than the risk of recording things it is illegal to have a recording of.
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The thing I cant really get over is the "always on" camera in your living room. Seriously? Dos anyone actually WANT that?
Apparently Slamm-O! does. It was mentioned in the fiction about his apartment drone cameras being hacked by Netcat. It may have been an elaborate plan to flash her though.
Personally, I think it's part of the 5th edition effort to make everything we use, wear, and have inserted in ourselves hackable.
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The thing I cant really get over is the "always on" camera in your living room. Seriously? Dos anyone actually WANT that?
Apparently Slamm-O! does. It was mentioned in the fiction about his apartment drone cameras being hacked by Netcat. It may have been an elaborate plan to flash her though.
Personally, I think it's part of the 5th edition effort to make everything we use, wear, and have inserted in ourselves hackable.
...Holy shit what if someone hacked your XBox cam?
:o :o :o
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Apparently Slamm-O! does. It was mentioned in the fiction about his apartment drone cameras being hacked by Netcat. It may have been an elaborate plan to flash her though.
Personally, I think it's part of the 5th edition effort to make everything we use, wear, and have inserted in ourselves hackable.
Actually, it was Netcat that hacked them to humiliate him in as bad a method as possible on JackPoint. In all honesty, I think it was just part of their flirting. ;D
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The always on camera bit was first imagined by George Orwell in his novel 1984.
It's only 30 years late, it would seem.
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The always on camera bit was first imagined by George Orwell in his novel 1984.
It's only 30 years late, it would seem.
I can't quite remember if H.G. Wells had this in "The Sleeper Awakes", or if he just predicted Cable TV in that story.
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I would definitely unplug the camera whenever I'm not using it, heck I do that with my webcams on my computer. I really don't like the thought of people watching me.
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I would definitely unplug the camera whenever I'm not using it, heck I do that with my webcams on my computer. I really don't like the thought of people watching me.
And that's when the X-Box One transforms and you find out it's a Decepticon.
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I would definitely unplug the camera whenever I'm not using it, heck I do that with my webcams on my computer. I really don't like the thought of people watching me.
And that's when the X-Box One transforms and you find out it's a Decepticon.
Better than what happens when you try to mess with the PS4. That one transforms into a Hentai Decepticon.
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I would definitely unplug the camera whenever I'm not using it, heck I do that with my webcams on my computer. I really don't like the thought of people watching me.
And that's when the X-Box One transforms and you find out it's a Decepticon.
Better than what happens when you try to mess with the PS4. That one transforms into a Hentai Decepticon.
Good thing the Ouya is coming out and is an Autobot.
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Ouya? Is that pronounced "Oh, yeah!"?
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I don't like certain features of both systems and I hope you can turn them off instead of just having to deal with them.
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From what I have seen, AngelOne, that is not the case. However, since I don't have any of them sitting in front of me at the moment, I can't say for certain.
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Wait and see, wait and see. If M$ can change things so quickly now, they can change them right back. And so can $ony, who is surprisingly not leading the charge for harsher DRM for once (Maybe the rootkit/Music CD thing learned them. Yeah, right!).
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I understand some of the complaints, but it seems like most of them are unreasonable and extremely paranoid. How are we supposed to turn the modern world into the future if we're afraid of future tech?
Can you picture Star Trek with people paranoid about the computer constantly listening for commands? There are microphones and cameras and trackers everywhere. "Computer, what is Commander Riker's current position?" Oh, no can do, sorry. We're too worried about the computer listening in on us and reporting our chat contents to the Federation.
They made used games less feasible, so what? You don't have the right to use used games. Does this cheat you? Of course not. I feel bad for the used game stores, though.
Always online? This one is a pretty big failure, I agree. If I had to guess, I'd say this was their answer to the proliferation of Xbox hacks that allow the use of pirated games. The failure isn't about how it's "unfair". The failure is due to many people still not having constant internet connections. That was a pretty big oversight on MS's part.
Back to the Kinect. What are you people doing in front of your TVs that you're so worried about people discovering? Or get more paranoid. What are you saying anywhere in your house that you're afraid "the Man" is going to hear?
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Back to the Kinect. What are you people doing in front of your TVs that you're so worried about people discovering? Or get more paranoid. What are you saying anywhere in your house that you're afraid "the Man" is going to hear?
You're really pulling the "if you have nothing to hide..." card? Really?!
Whether you have anything to hide has no bearing on the fact that a camera and microphone always on in your living room is a MASSIVE invasion of privacy that carries with it an equally massive potential for abuse. Especially with a certain law that was enacted earlier in the 2000s and recently expanded.
As to your mention of Star Trek, if human civilization were to the point of everyone working for the betterment of humanity like it is in the show, I would be all for it, but as of right now...HELL NO.
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It's not just a one-day change. It takes steps to get to the future. Google Glass sucks, but if we don't go through this phase, we'll never have Shadowrun contacts/glasses/goggles.
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Actually my problem with Kinect is that I don't have a living room for it.
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The last console I bought was a Gamecube. I'd like to share my thoughts on why I am refusing to buy into the newer lines of consoles. (But am happily willing to accept a friend's donation of their 360, thanks)
They don't make em' how they used to.
The GC/Xbox/PS2 gen had a contest, to see which was more sturdy. The conclusion was that the Gamecube could literally survive a sledgehammer, and work reliably.
Remember the GameBoy Color? I recall one in a museum, that survived a bombing, when the soldiers didn't.
Remember reverse compatibility, so that the constant flux of new games could interact with the old, a-la R/B/Y to G/S/C? So that you could actually enjoy your game for five years or so, even when you had a new system coming out as soon as they built up the hardware for faster, smoother, and all around more awesome gameplay?
Remember when Pikmen became a hit?
Anyone remember Prince of Persia, the first one?
Gaming used to mean a constant push of tech. If it could be done, they were working on it. Machines got faster and faster, so we could do more. The progression of graphics could be easily displayed with a Mario timeline - every single title looks a little bit better. They threw in more CPU and RAM, they made screens higher resolution in expectation of the increasing outputs. Internal storage. Multiple save files. Mobile gaming.
Remember Final Fantasy? Remember how everyone, ever, gets an ending? Not just the main character, everyone? Where the plot took up about a quarter of the sheer data on the discs, give or take?
In the start, games were made by a single person - such as Space Invaders. When we got to systems like the N64, and PS1, there were divisions cooperating on each individual game. Storyboards spiraled. Artwork could cover the interior of your house.
Yeah. There were bugs. Lots of them. Sloppiness, a lack of practical knowledge about the tech being used, time constraints, they all factored in. Frankly, I'd rather play those glitchy, horribly broken games, than the uninspired steaming piles I have shoved at me today.
We have home PCs able to compute a million or so digits of pi in less than a minute, with CPUs standing at about 3.0 GHz, almost always multi-core these days. We have connections from PC to PC capable of moving a library in data, in half to an hour, depending on the size of said library. We have hard drives averaging a Terabyte or more, which is about seventeen thousand hours of compressed music formats. (mp3, for example)
The tech is there, and we've got the know-how to utilize it.
Where are all the creative games and titles? Where are the mind-blowing plots? Where are the astonishing game mechanics?
Have we set our sights too high?
Alright.
Where are the seamless loading transitions promised in a Tony Hawk game more than five years ago? Where are the Turing-capable A.I. opponents based on code we've been putting into contests since 1991?
I'll stick with my Gamecube. It won't break, it has a wide list of games that are still in retail, and if worst comes to worst, I can buy another hundred, make a tank, and roll up to Nintendo's HQ as a reminder.
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... To be fair, just because we can program really sophisticated algorithms doesn't mean that those same algorithms can be made to work in live time, even with all the tech power behind them these days. Technical feasibility is especially relevant for AI code.
Having to work in live time presents a whole different level of technical complexity.
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Until we went to discs, backward compatibility was less than unheard of. NES>SNES? Nope. SNES>N64? Nope. N64>Wii? Nope. The Playstation was the first line to offer backward compatibility, starting with the PS2, but they killed that with the PS3. The Xbox 360 offered a modicum of backward compatibility, but it was far less than stellar. Computers are the only place where there's been much in the way of compatibility, and that's because it's not a console limited to a specific form factor.
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Hm. I got about 400+ games on my steam account, and some more on gog and gmg. The only reason i bought XB gaypad for PC was Dark Souls PC ed. When I saw GFWL welcome screen I wanted to kill somebody. Good it allows offline mode. The only reason to buy PS3 is Last of us. And I hope they make it playable on PS4, so I can buy my first console ever. Then I'd have to wait for Steambox. So I can avoid Microsoft as much as possible. And, in fact, I love Valve for the same things I hate on MS. Strange.
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Atw its not just angry nerds, but also Gamestop push that made MS to change their plans.
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Can you picture Star Trek with people paranoid about the computer constantly listening for commands? There are microphones and cameras and trackers everywhere. "Computer, what is Commander Riker's current position?" Oh, no can do, sorry. We're too worried about the computer listening in on us and reporting our chat contents to the Federation.
There's a difference between what would be acceptable on what is a craft operating on a military-style chain of command which has a clear and valid security cause to be able to track the positions of people on board (and even then in most cases, before the computer is queried an attempt to contact the person is made) and something in the home where no option is given to you.
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I'll counter Star Trek with Spaceballs, where the female officer comes on a huge screen in the President's bathroom as he's taking a piss.
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I'll counter Star Trek with Spaceballs, where the female officer comes on a huge screen in the President's bathroom as he's taking a piss.
And looks down. ;)
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XBone is now the XBox 180, to be abbreviated as XB180 which translates from leetspeak into X-Bibo. So there. =)
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Also MS marketing strategy can be remembered as X-TURN
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Now I'm wondering what a X-Turn would look like. I mean we all know a U-turn, but what would an X-turn be?
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Now I'm wondering what a X-Turn would look like. I mean we all know a U-turn, but what would an X-turn be?
I believe it involves intense stress, and two halves being sent in opposing directions violently. Possibly caused by poor steering.
Ironic.
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Hm... If the origin is the center of the X...
Oh, I know what an X-turn is then. :) It's when you get quartered with horses. Which fits.
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Hm... If the origin is the center of the X...
Oh, I know what an X-turn is then. :) It's when you get quartered with horses. Which fits.
...Horses?
I was picturing an X-wing cutting itself in half.
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I was picturing an X-wing cutting itself in half.
So, a Z-95 Headhunter?
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Until we went to discs, backward compatibility was less than unheard of. NES>SNES? Nope. SNES>N64? Nope. N64>Wii? Nope. The Playstation was the first line to offer backward compatibility, starting with the PS2, but they killed that with the PS3. The Xbox 360 offered a modicum of backward compatibility, but it was far less than stellar. Computers are the only place where there's been much in the way of compatibility, and that's because it's not a console limited to a specific form factor.
Maybe on consoles, feeney, but on the Gameboy line, up through the original DS, you could still slap in your old game cartridges and play. All they way back to the original Gameboy games.
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An X-turn is people taking lefts from opposite directions. And yeah, you could use original gameboy games up through the gameboy advanced. That wasn't true for the other handhelds though, plus he was talking about consoles.
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Backwards compatibility may not have been a big thing previously, when the release of new systems heralded a giant leap in technology, but today it is. The SNES outclassed the NES in every way, and the N64 put the SNES to shame. However, while the Xbox 360 is definitely better than the Xbox, and the Xbone is better than the 360, those improvements aren't the giant leaps that occurred in previous consoles. They also have a HUGE list of titles attached with each one that remain in the hearts of the gamers that played them.
I still have my old SNES, and my old Sega CD-X, and my Dreamcast. I have games for them, and I've played them and had fun with them. But if someone made a system that let me play all my old games on one system, and added a bunch of new games to the mix, then I would be VERY, VERY INTERESTED.
Just something to think about.
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Yeah, not having backward compatibility now is pretty inexcusable unless there's a really good reason. Maybe it was because they weren't going to use discs at all? If so, maybe it'll change now that they've changed so many other aspects.
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In this case, there actually is a pretty good reason from a techical standpoint - the One operates on an entirely different instruction set than the 360, and the operating systems don't seem to have any relation to each other.
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In this case, there actually is a pretty good reason from a techical standpoint - the One operates on an entirely different instruction set than the 360, and the operating systems don't seem to have any relation to each other.
I know that with the PS3 backwards compatibility required what was essentially a separate PS2 inside the box and was removed to let them drop the price point enough to compete with the 360.
I'm generally the last person to defend Microsoft (I feel that they rush buggy, untested products out to the public, refuse to fix QC issues that they've known about for years and tend to use the leverage of controlling the OS to push smaller competitors with superior products out of business) but in this case I don't think they can be faulted. If you want backward compatibility hold on to your 360, that's why there's still a PS2 hanging out in my entertainment center next to my PS3.
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However, while the Xbox 360 is definitely better than the Xbox, and the Xbone is better than the 360, those improvements aren't the giant leaps that occurred in previous consoles.
Vast improvements? No. Significant changes in the processors? Oh yeah. The XBox 360 used a version of the PowerPC processor to drive itself, the XBox One uses an x86-64 processor. This level of difference is pre-Intel Macs versus then-current Windows PCs. You can emulate, but they rarely ever worked well.