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Shadowrun General => General Discussion => Topic started by: phydaux42 on <06-17-13/1046:14>
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Is 5th ed available for pre-oeder? When is the release date?
Thanks in advance.
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Not yet, and not announced.
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I was looking on Amazon after I posted this, and they show July 3rd as the ship date.
Is that not true?
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Amazon is notorious for making things up. This is one of those things. Nothing has been announced by CGL about the release date for SR5.
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Damn. I have a gaming group I'm trying to get into Shadowrun. I figured that buying 5th would be an easy in rather than buying 20th Anna + 8 other books.
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Know what? Screw it. We're still using 5th Ed Hero System even though 6th has been out for over two years. I'll tell 'em we're sticking with 4th ed.
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It'll probably be ready for GenCon (August). Grab a copy of the Quickstart Rules when they come out (soon) if your group is that impatient.
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I would hope the PDF of the full rules will also be out soon. Since, you know, the full rules are out in the wild already.
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Ditto. Or at least an option to throw money at it in expectation of it coming out.
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Pre-orders and PDF sales will likely be available 4-6 weeks before the print book is available. Once we get a better idea from the printers when the print run will be ready, we'll be better able to determine the time to start pre-orders.
Jason H.
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Pre-orders and PDF sales will likely be available 4-6 weeks before the print book is available. Once we get a better idea from the printers when the print run will be ready, we'll be better able to determine the time to start pre-orders.
Jason H.
OK..so, here is hoping some people who got the 5th Edition book at Origins did it just to sell on E-bay...*goes back to trolling e-bay*
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Pre-orders and PDF sales will likely be available 4-6 weeks before the print book is available. Once we get a better idea from the printers when the print run will be ready, we'll be better able to determine the time to start pre-orders.
Jason H.
Any reason why you are delaying the pdf release even further? Its already bad enough that we have people like Bull taunting us with 'Behold and despair', but now we even have to wait even longer...
You're clearly aiming/delaying for a Gencon release but I have no clue why...
Anyhow: great that this kind of stuff gets posted in the OLD shadowrun forums..horrible communication, its like you even dont want people to go to the new forums...
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Anyhow: great that this kind of stuff gets posted in the OLD shadowrun forums..horrible communication, its like you even dont want people to go to the new forums...
No..the OLD SHadowrun Forums are Dumpshock. These are the new forums.
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The new forums would be Shadowrun Universe, which people complain aren't easy to navigate. Until the three companies involved pool together money from the games to pay for the website development, I don't see that changing. But the people from Catalyst still hop over occasionally for a few answers.
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I'd prefer if there was no "new forum". If it weren't for the video games, I'd pretend that site doesn't even exist. Put it all here. Please and thank you.
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You're clearly aiming/delaying for a Gencon release but I have no clue why...
Looking for reasons? Single biggest convention for gaming is a great place to start.
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You're clearly aiming/delaying for a Gencon release but I have no clue why...
Looking for reasons? Single biggest convention for gaming is a great place to start.
I can see that for delaying the print release. However, the game has been released, with copies minus some color
plates and maps in the wild. It might only be a few hundred copies, but it is out there. There is little reason to delay
the PDF release. Or, did everyone who bought a copy at Origins have to sign an NDA?
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If they did, Karma Inferno is in trouble. So I doubt it.
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No NDA. We're allowed to talk about it now.
As for the Why, it's a marketing decision, I think. They want to release everything at once (The exception being the Origins special edition, and that likely mostly because we were running all 5th ed games there in anticipation of the book actually being out now). And it takes a while to get all the books printed and shipped to the warehouse and ready to go out to distributors and game stores, espeically with a new edition that is being printed in very large numbers.
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You're clearly aiming/delaying for a Gencon release but I have no clue why...
Looking for reasons? Single biggest convention for gaming is a great place to start.
You mean: catering to people who can shell out the money to even go there...to me, and a lot of people, that convention means nothing! At home is where the game makes or breaks it...not in a building thousands of miles away!
I hope they're thinking about a worldwide playerbase and release that pdf and or book asap.
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What angers me is that there has to be a PDF-ready (or even a finalized PDF) of the core book now that it's finished, formatted, and has been in the printer's hands for a few weeks now... and yet the (just a guess) couple hundred who were able to buy an Origins edition now have full access to SR5 itself, and are the only people who do (I can't even expect that many of the Demo Team folks still have a copy since I heard that the demo copies were also sold to players).
Except for a bit of marketing, the game has been released. Yes, the hardcover editions will take some time to Officially Exist. It takes time to get good work done and I've always agreed with the Catalyst policy to not give a dead-tree edition street date until the book is in the warehouse. And yes, I also would be in support of a call to wait on accepting preorders on similar grounds. But no such logic can ever apply to a PDF release, especially for the flagship product of the company's foreseeable future, and certainly not with a limited physical version of the product now in circulation.
I feel similarly about the delay in putting the quick-start PDF from Free RPG Day up for grabs, since that's been ready for release for an even longer time. Again, absolutely wait until after the event itself since the idea is to get folks to head to their FLGS for the physical copy. But really, is it so impossible to set up something with DriveThru and on BattleShop so that the PDF is placed on the listing the following Monday? I have no web programming skills, but I know that such things can be entered on a time delay.
My last point is that, from my own views and reading posts from the past few days, so much of the anger felt by many on the delays and silence coming from Catalyst could be lessened or in some cases even eliminated if Catalyst would just open their mouths about anything from time to time in a manner that's easily accessible to everyone who wants to know. If you make a huge cross-platform announcement like the Year of Shadowrun press release and then proceed to say nothing outside a couple of small-audience locations, you're only adding to the frustrations.
For those who did, thank you for reading. And yes, I do feel a bit better now. For now, anyway.
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I would suggest they release the pdf soon or deal with pirated scans of the origin version - wouldn't be too surprised to see those popping up somewhere. It's sad they won't even announce a release date for the pdf. Or release the quick start rules... or do SOMETHING to soothe the masses ;)
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There's a difference between a printer-ready PDF and one intended for reading electronically. The qualities are different, the compression (flattening) is different, there are bookmarks and internal links to be added, the cropping is different, etc. usw. sono ta.
Game publishers like to release at conventions not only because there are lots of people there to buy it, but even more so because there are retailers, critics, distributors, and other industry people there at the same time.
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Game publishers like to release at conventions not only because there are lots of people there to buy it, but even more so because there are retailers, critics, distributors, and other industry people there at the same time.
They already released at a convention. The game is already out there. Doing nothing until Gencon will make some feel that it is a big FU for not being at Origins. Unfortunately not everyone goes to conventions. Waiting until Gencon do release the game to everyone else is going to be severely anticlimatic, especially here on the forums where the select few who do have the book get to tease/show-off for the next 9 weeks or so.
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Personally I'm slightly annoyed they released SR5 at the lesser of the two big conventions, especially since I saved up to finally go to GenCon again for the first time in years.
Hopefully the Run Faster will be there, otherwise the year of Shadowrun at GenCon will have nothing new.
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I prefer Origins over Gencon. I think it is set up better and runs way more smoothly. If you make Origins your big reveal you get to be The Big Fish unlike Gencon where you are just another fish. Plus that 8-10 weeks allows the fanbase to prep for some serious awesomeness at Gencon.
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Game publishers like to release at conventions not only because there are lots of people there to buy it, but even more so because there are retailers, critics, distributors, and other industry people there at the same time.
They already released at a convention. The game is already out there. Doing nothing until Gencon will make some feel that it is a big FU for not being at Origins. Unfortunately not everyone goes to conventions. Waiting until Gencon do release the game to everyone else is going to be severely anticlimatic, especially here on the forums where the select few who do have the book get to tease/show-off for the next 9 weeks or so.
Yeah..pretty much this, plus you know a person is already, right this moment, removing the cover from his/her copy, and feeding it through a scanner. Would I be right in guessing that CGL wants people to go looking for those versions? Instead of, you know, making money from people willing to buy, but are desperate enough they will contemplate looking for the pirated scans?
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There's a lot of Shadowrun coming out this year, and it's not all on Catalyst's schedule. Cross-promotion is awesome when it's handled properly, one of the first rules is you keep your mouth shut until it's time to start talking. And given the silence on this matter, it's not time to start talking yet.
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Pirated scans of books are hugely inferior to the real PDF. Huge file sizes, usually grainy scans, can't seach, can't copy/paste... and that's assuming they don't make any mistakes while scanning it. I don't think scanned PDFs are actually a threat to an actual released PDF.
Now, if the actual PDFs (like the demo agents have) got leaked, THAT might be a threat to PDF sales. But scans? Nope.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that Catalyst should release the PDF sooner rather than later, but mostly so that players can learn the rules better before GenCon comes around. But scanned PDFs are bad enough as to not factor into this decision.
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I'm not considering crossfire to be anything more then a label slapped on a different genre, ala FOBOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout:_Brotherhood_of_Steel).
Considering it's release was spring, and the summer release of SR5 already beat it, whatever embarrassing product makes its way to a convention should be picked up as a novelty item at best.
Honestly, if the major SR releases at GenCon are all from outside Catalyst, I'll be very disappointed.
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I'll just note that while Crossfire is being developed out of house, there has been a lot of input from some of us inhouse. This is not a product that someone else is doing on their own, it's something they are doing for us because we simply do not have the internal manpower to do it ourselves, because they are huge fans of shadowrun, and because they have expertise in developing just this sort of game.
And Gen Con was always going to be SR5 as the big product, regardless of whether or not it got released beforehand or not.
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The ONLY product from the Year of Shadowrun that isn't getting any input regarding SR5 from Catalyst is Shadowrun: Returns (and possibly the board game). Crossfire, Sprawl Gangers, Shadowrun Online are all connected to SR5 in that they're using interchangable core mechanics (for the physical products) and that all three will have SR5 corebooks in addition to their own materials.
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Actually, I'll just note that Harebrained and Catalyst are in communication with each other. Several of our writers are working on the SR:R anthology, Matt Heerdt has done some layout work for them, and Jason and Randall talk with them regularly. Since their stuff is Shadowrun "History", there's no need to coordinate per se, but that doesn't mean we don't talk.
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Good point. I'd forgotten about the anthology. 8)
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And Gen Con was always going to be SR5 as the big product, regardless of whether or not it got released beforehand or not.
I know. It's just when the GenCon "Exclusive" is something that already came out somewhere else months ago, it feels much less exclusive. I'm still excited for the product, just a bit bummed it's not as special.
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I was just thinking the other day that we are nearly 6 months into The Year Of Shadowrun and they haven't released anything yet. Storm Front doesn't really count, being technically a 4e release.
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Actually, I'll just note that Harebrained and Catalyst are in communication with each other. Several of our writers are working on the SR:R anthology, Matt Heerdt has done some layout work for them, and Jason and Randall talk with them regularly. Since their stuff is Shadowrun "History", there's no need to coordinate per se, but that doesn't mean we don't talk.
There was some consultation on storyline/lore stuff, too, FWIW, along with a couple other odd jobs (like helping name NPCs and stock the world with the crowd-sourced shadowrunners).
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Yeesh and here I thought we got some good news. Pre-order and PDF sales 4-6 weeks before the release, sounds awesome to me. Unless I misread or misunderstood even if the release is gencon(which i think is a bad idea) the PDF is not that far off. But hey rage away.
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I'm with you, Shinobi. We're looking at PDF release within 2-4 weeks from today, counting back 4-6 weeks from GenCon. I call this good news.
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I'm with you, Shinobi. We're looking at PDF release within 2-4 weeks from today, counting back 4-6 weeks from GenCon. I call this good news.
I quite like this logic... ;)
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From Twitter a few minutes ago: "@catalystgamelab: Just sent off an email so we can make a final decision on when the PDF/Print Preorders for SR5 will be launched.... rnb" (rnb being Randall Bills, I assume.)
So looks like we'll get a date announcement fairly soon.
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From Twitter a few minutes ago: "@catalystgamelab: Just sent off an email so we can make a final decision on when the PDF/Print Preorders for SR5 will be launched.... rnb" (rnb being Randall Bills, I assume.)
So looks like we'll get a date announcement fairly soon.
Even more good news. But the way this thread is going, unless the answer is yesterday expect rage.
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Yeesh and here I thought we got some good news. Pre-order and PDF sales 4-6 weeks before the release, sounds awesome to me. Unless I misread or misunderstood even if the release is gencon(which i think is a bad idea) the PDF is not that far off. But hey rage away.
When's GenCon?
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I'm with you, Shinobi. We're looking at PDF release within 2-4 weeks from today, counting back 4-6 weeks from GenCon. I call this good news.
D'oh!
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From Twitter a few minutes ago: "@catalystgamelab: Just sent off an email so we can make a final decision on when the PDF/Print Preorders for SR5 will be launched.... rnb" (rnb being Randall Bills, I assume.)
So looks like we'll get a date announcement fairly soon.
Even more good news. But the way this thread is going, unless the answer is yesterday expect rage.
No rage like nerdrage.
I'm sooooooo ANGRY!!!!
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When's GenCon?
AUg 15-18
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From Twitter a few minutes ago: "@catalystgamelab: Just sent off an email so we can make a final decision on when the PDF/Print Preorders for SR5 will be launched.... rnb" (rnb being Randall Bills, I assume.)
So looks like we'll get a date announcement fairly soon.
Missed that - very good news indeed!
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From Facebook:
Okay, decisions made...time to draft of an announcement to send out for a review as well... rnb
;D
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Which means getting it cleared from Topps, so..we should see it in a day or two...
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Which brings up the question of how much communication is required with Topps as far as game development goes. Are they mostly hands-off creatively, leaving things on a business-details-only level, or do Topps officials stick their hand in on such things as release schedules or product design? Gotta love curiosity. All it takes is a quick off-hand remark to get it fixed on something that's never come to mind before. ^_^
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Here's a question, (being located overseas in Australia) when will I see my copy that I have ordered ???? I sincerely hope that the delay will not be too long.
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Here's a question, (being located overseas in Australia) when will I see my copy that I have ordered ???? I sincerely hope that the delay will not be too long.
Given that CGL has not posted the release date, who did you order it from?
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Probably a local game store. You go in and say, hey when X comes out please order a copy for me and set it aside. That is what I did.
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Here's a question, (being located overseas in Australia) when will I see my copy that I have ordered ???? I sincerely hope that the delay will not be too long.
Given that CGL has not posted the release date, who did you order it from?
I probably phrased that wrong I meant how much time would elapse between the release date in the states and Australia. I admit I tend to buy more PDFs so normally the release dates correspond with the states but the main books I also tend to buy in DTF because it makes it easier at the table to have more than one copy.
Probably a local game store. You go in and say, hey when X comes out please order a copy for me and set it aside. That is what I did.
Same here
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Interesting that they release the Free RPG Day Quick-start rules for A Time of War, but not Shadowrun 5th...
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Had the same thoughts, but am guessing the SR5 release will be out shortly.
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I probably phrased that wrong I meant how much time would elapse between the release date in the states and Australia.
Haven't heard any chatter on this matter, so I would assume whatever the normal delay is.
Probably a local game store. You go in and say, hey when X comes out please order a copy for me and set it aside. That is what I did.
Same here
Ah. That's not a pre-order, that's asking somebody to order the book for you when they're putting their order together. Pre-order means you paid for the book. Wanted to be sure you didn't do this with somebody like Amazon. They make up release dates for books they don't have release dates on, which leads to disappointment when people find out they could have gotten the book faster from their FLGS.
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I probably phrased that wrong I meant how much time would elapse between the release date in the states and Australia.
Haven't heard any chatter on this matter, so I would assume whatever the normal delay is..
That can mean anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks... I'll hope for the 2 weeks but expect the 8.
Probably a local game store. You go in and say, hey when X comes out please order a copy for me and set it aside. That is what I did.
Same here
Ah. That's not a pre-order, that's asking somebody to order the book for you when they're putting their order together. Pre-order means you paid for the book. Wanted to be sure you didn't do this with somebody like Amazon. They make up release dates for books they don't have release dates on, which leads to disappointment when people find out they could have gotten the book faster from their FLGS.
I have bought pretty much all my actual books from these guys so I have payed for the book already and they have never screwed me on a price, but they also told me that they had no release date for it either, hence my question about the time frame... The consensus here seems to be GenCon for release so that's not to bad I can wait till then....
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Please please don't make us wait till Gen con. I hate waiting. I wanna see what the new decks look like and also what there stats are.
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Interesting that they release the Free RPG Day Quick-start rules for A Time of War, but not Shadowrun 5th...
Flip it over. SR5 is on the other side.
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Interesting that they release the Free RPG Day Quick-start rules for A Time of War, but not Shadowrun 5th...
Flip it over. SR5 is on the other side.
*downloads the PDF* OK..so, how do I flip it over? It only lists stuff from AToW in it.
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Interesting that they release the Free RPG Day Quick-start rules for A Time of War, but not Shadowrun 5th...
Flip it over. SR5 is on the other side.
*downloads the PDF* OK..so, how do I flip it over? It only lists stuff from AToW in it.
Ah I didn't know you had the PDF version, you got me there.
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Interesting that they release the Free RPG Day Quick-start rules for A Time of War, but not Shadowrun 5th...
Flip it over. SR5 is on the other side.
*downloads the PDF* OK..so, how do I flip it over? It only lists stuff from AToW in it.
Ah I didn't know you had the PDF version, you got me there.
My comic shop doesn't get stuff for free RPG day. CGL has only released in PDF the AToW Quickstart. Not sure why
they released one but not the other.
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Just announced! PDF available on July 11th, which is also the day official pre-orders open. Books ships in August.
http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2013/06/20/shadowrun-5-official-pdf-print-preorder-release-date/
Shadowrun 5 Official PDF & Print Preorder Release Date
Posted on June 20, 2013 by Randall Bills
SR5
On December 21st, 2012, Catalyst Game Labs announced the Year of Shadowrun, the most ambitious release of games for Shadowrun in its almost twenty-five year history. The cornerstone of the Year of Shadowrun is the release of the Fifth Edition of the tabletop roleplaying game.
Catalyst Game Labs is extremely excited to announce that on July 11th the PDF of Shadowrun, Fifth Edition will go on sale for $20 (available both at www.battlecorps.com/catalog as well as www.drivethrurpg.com). Along with Harebrained Schemes’ release of Shadowrun Returns on July 25th, fans of the Sixth World will have more Shadowrun drek to leap into than you can shake a fist full of credsticks at!
Additionally, while stores have been able to pre-order Shadowrun, Fifth Edition for some time (and if you can support your local game store, please do!), that date will also see online pre-orders available for the print books, both the standard edition as well as the limited editions we’ll be offering (details surrounding the limited editions will be provided in a future post).
The print edition of Shadowrun, Fifth Edition will be available in stores come August.
We’ve been publishing a series of blog posts covering a host of topics surrounding the development of Shadowrun, Fifth Edition, as well as the other games in the works, at shadowruntabletop.com. Additionally, we’ve released five Shadowrun, Fifth Edition free preview PDF—including a brand new one today—to allow gamers a huge look at the new edition from all angles. We’ll release one more free preview PDF, covering the Matrix, in another week or two, leading up to the July 11th PDF release date!
See you then!
Check out shadowruntabletop.com and www.shadowrun.com to learn more about all that’s happening in the Year of Shadowrun!
Any news sites interested in reviewing the Shadowrun, Fifth Edition PDF please contact randall@catalystgamelabs.com.
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It's possible I've been ninjad. I'll take that chance. Here is the scoop on pre-orders and on-sale dates. (http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2013/06/20/shadowrun-5-official-pdf-print-preorder-release-date/)
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Very happy to see this ;D
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It's possible I've been ninjad. I'll take that chance. Here is the scoop on pre-orders and on-sale dates. (http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2013/06/20/shadowrun-5-official-pdf-print-preorder-release-date/)
Ninja'd by a dwarf. :)
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Ninja'd by a dwarf. :)
I can deal with a dwarf ninja. I'm young. I'll bounce back.
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*does ugly little happy dance while firing off his Ares Predator* I'm gonna have my copy soon :D :D :D :D
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Rawr! I wants it now!!!!1! On a more serious note, that's awesome. Thanks for letting us know, guys.
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Thank you for the info. It's times lke this it's hard to remain committed to killing killing trees.
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Any word when SR5 will be out for Hero Lab?
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Any word when SR5 will be out for Hero Lab?
Extremely good question...
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Any word when SR5 will be out for Hero Lab?
The HL folks will post in their newsletter when they have news.
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Let's hope for the June newsletter... ;)
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Ninja'd by a dwarf. :)
I can deal with a dwarf ninja. I'm young. I'll bounce back.
Are you sure? Those minjas (mini-ninjas) can be nasty! ;D