Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => General Discussion => Topic started by: SnackerBob on <09-24-13/1847:48>
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I've somehow managed to get my girlfriend involved in Shadowrun. For some reason, she's wanting to play a Troll, but she wanted ideas on how to draw her own character. And wow- there aren't many pictures of female trolls. Maybe I haven't been looking in the right areas, but I've found 2 pictures in 20+ years of sourcebooks- one in Target:Matrix and one in Prime Runners.
With that in mind, am I missing any in sourcebooks? Also, could there be an attempt at adding more in the future?
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Not many examples on deviantart of female Shadowrun trolls but this one is fairly good. http://shadowrun-collection.deviantart.com/art/That-Poor-Couch-Shadowrun-394798170 (http://shadowrun-collection.deviantart.com/art/That-Poor-Couch-Shadowrun-394798170)
The most depictions of female Shadowrun trolls I have ever seen was in the Shadowrun Returns Anthology.
I hope this helps some what.
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Thanks! I'll check that out when I can. I'll confess that it seems odd that there are so few pics of troll ladies.
Especially since every 3rd runner seems to be a troll. This isn't only a Shadowrun problem, of course. Earthdawn has fewer drawings of female trolls than nearly any other metatype. Is there something about them that artists hate?
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Got me, I'm a writer not an artist.
But I think I might be able to comb through my eleventy-billion items to find something for you:
http://junabelle.deviantart.com/art/Shadowrun-Troll-76827500
http://sapeidra.deviantart.com/art/Shadowrun-Trollmage-186377330
http://surfeit.deviantart.com/art/Shadowrun-The-Batarashii-326329021
http://remainaery.deviantart.com/art/Goliath-and-TNT-Comission-58533216
http://door3designs.deviantart.com/art/Corporate-Troll-183927399
http://doomax.deviantart.com/art/Margha-Troll-ganger-263685636
http://mollyd.deviantart.com/art/Troll-Mama-71428854
http://samwisetheawesome.deviantart.com/art/SR-Lady-Troll-290872304
http://shadowrunonline.deviantart.com/art/Troll-Females-1-34257630
http://solomen.deviantart.com/art/Troll-Street-Samurai-361408726
http://robyngoodfellow.deviantart.com/art/Nanite-the-littlest-troll-280684971
http://squinkyproductions.deviantart.com/art/Troll-Gal-color-practice-106915885
http://puddingbat.deviantart.com/art/Crunch1-21827615
http://7outof13.deviantart.com/art/Female-Fomori-try-116725633
http://liik.deviantart.com/art/Cody-109563144
http://sakieh.deviantart.com/art/Shadowrun-Troll-in-Alley-75274166
http://trollkhatt.deviantart.com/art/Medvelolwhat-357113083
http://yatenstar.deviantart.com/art/Jack-45137072
http://lunarius-net.deviantart.com/art/Runner-Concept-124990766
http://beckydanilenko.deviantart.com/art/Ro-in-Motion-393773265
OK, there were a (very few) more that were NSFW, so, hopefully that'll help you out! ;D
I was also tempted to put up a Troll in a Speedo, but I know better. :P
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There was this one from page 109 of the art thread:
Pretty Female Troll
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/df869a7e96d8158c4a7f733b88a3afce/tumblr_msxindITQH1swr0eao3_500.jpg)
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Well, perusing even more of the older works, I've found an inexplicable female troll model- Anne Penchyk, who has definitely been identified as an ork in the text.
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Yeah try the Art Thread (http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=5104.0). I know we've put troll females in there. Some of my plder pics might not be there still but I know Basic re-hosted his.
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Oh and My wife complains about the lack of Female Wolf shaman art all the time, so I know how you feel.
Don't get her started on the lack of armor for chicks in the artwork either.....
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I cobbled this up on https://www.heromachine.com for my Troll Medic/Face. I didn't think it was quite good enough for the general artwork thread, but being relevant to "troll gals", here it is;
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Don't get her started on the lack of armor for chicks in the artwork either.....
This has always fascinated me, especially in Fantasy. Even as a kid of like 12, my mind would right away go to "shouldn't she be wearing more armour?"
I guess their slutty looks protect them from swords and stuff. "Kill them all!... oh, but not the chick, let's not attack her".
I just had this vision of a heavy-duty Ares Firewatch team, all guns and serious killing intent, you know, a really dark black-and-white artistic style, and in the background 2 female members of the team wearing midriff exposing power armour, helmets off revealing luscious blond hair wiping sideways, splashing each other with water guns like in a car wash.
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While not directly regarding females and lack of armor thereof, I did enjoy a scene in a recent WH40K novel where the space marines are running around without their helmets as some do, and one chaos marine is just head shotting them with his bolter pistol one after the other while he berates them for not wearing a bloody helmet. :P
But yeah, the bare midriff armors had to be the silliest notion as that is where hits would do the most damage short of a head strike.
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Don't get her started on the lack of armor for chicks in the artwork either.....
...regarding Shadowrun, I'd like to know how one could get started about that. I mean, everyone in the shadowrun art I have seen seems to be dressed appropriately enough to the scene in which they are depicted - have I just blindly glossed over the out of place eye candy?
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Don't get her started on the lack of armor for chicks in the artwork either.....
...regarding Shadowrun, I'd like to know how one could get started about that. I mean, everyone in the shadowrun art I have seen seems to be dressed appropriately enough to the scene in which they are depicted - have I just blindly glossed over the out of place eye candy?
CGL seems to be aware of this sort of thing, or they just have the good taste to avoid it in the first place. There are a few gratuitous shots I've seen. Not so much lacking in armor but definitely selling to male gaze (shadowrunner sitting on stairs, gun and sword formng a "V" over her crotch, Maria Mercurial's gratuitous underboob shot). Not bad compared to some, and nowhere near the softcore porn you see in comic books or other geek hobbies.
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See, that's what I am talking about - a "suggestive" pose which could easily not have occurred to the artist as being suggestive (it doesn't sound very alluring, or even significant at all, as you describe it), and an in-setting sex symbol and pop idol wearing something "sexy" for a night out on the town.
None of that is inherently "cheesecake" like certain fantasy games and their plate armor with "boob windows".
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Some older art had more of the Riot Grrl style to it, so there were more bikinis with mohawks then. Shadowrun hasn't had much in the way of gratuitous fanservice that I can recall, honestly. And most of it is at least a little tongue-in-cheek; Attitude being a great example.
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See, that's what I am talking about - a "suggestive" pose which could easily not have occurred to the artist as being suggestive (it doesn't sound very alluring, or even significant at all, as you describe it), and an in-setting sex symbol and pop idol wearing something "sexy" for a night out on the town.
None of that is inherently "cheesecake" like certain fantasy games and their plate armor with "boob windows".
A good artist doesn't spend that much time on a cover and do things by accident. Especially V, S and X shapes which are used to draw the eye. I just tried to look it up (Runner's Companion) and the one on DTRPG looks different than the one at the local store. Wonder if they changed it, or it's the wrong image?
Anyway, I agree. The exceptions really made me notice the even treatment in most of the books I've looked at. Very inclusive and commendable IMO.
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A good artist doesn't spend that much time on a cover and do things by accident. Especially V, S and X shapes which are used to draw the eye. I just tried to look it up (Runner's Companion) and the one on DTRPG looks different than the one at the local store. Wonder if they changed it, or it's the wrong image?
Anyway, I agree. The exceptions really made me notice the even treatment in most of the books I've looked at. Very inclusive and commendable IMO.
The first printing had the elf woman sitting on the steps, and they changed the art with the second version.
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A good artist doesn't spend that much time on a cover and do things by accident
I didn't say the artist did... I said maybe they thought "I have her kicked back on the steps looking serious, armed, but relaxed because where she is is 'home' to her," and what came out was something you find to be suggestive.
I have the printing with that cover, and I never thought of that piece of art as trying to be sexually suggestive in the slightest.
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As far as Troll ladies are concerned, I really like this concept art from Shadowrun Online :)
(http://fondationdraco.free.fr/images/bonus/SRO_Females.jpg)
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I like that art a lot! It breaks the mold of "Trolls are all physical". Plus it seems to have the unique physical traits of both dwarves & trolls; longer arms & shorter legs.
Incidentally, I just looked at the art in the 5th edition Quick Start, and I think it looks far better than the 20th Anniversary artwork. Kudos to the folks responsible!