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Title: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: norskface on <03-08-14/0441:08>
How do you guys normally put an RIFD-Tag on a person?

Our GM asked us to buy some glue to glue the stealth tag on the to tagged person.
Well we didn't find anything else on the book, so I really wonder, how this is normally done. In my idea of the 6th world its quite ridicules to still use glue or secure needles to put something like that on.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: firebug on <03-08-14/0450:47>
I'm sure most tags would have a built-in clip or some adhesive.  For stealth tags, it's possible hey have a bit of gecko grip technology to just be able to stick to nearly anything.  You definitely don't need to buy some Elmer's Glue to get a stealth tag on someone.  Even if your GM disagrees, the tags are very small (like the size of your thumb) and could just be dropped into someone's pocket with ease.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Linkdeath on <03-11-14/1633:54>
Closer to the size of your thumbNAIL and as thin as a sheet of paper. Even today RFID tags are about that small.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Namikaze on <03-11-14/1638:14>
Hell, RFID tags are embedded in your candy bars.  So...  way smaller than a thumb.  :P
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: CanRay on <03-11-14/2053:58>
Hell, RFID tags are embedded in your candy bars.  So...  way smaller than a thumb.  :P
Almost killed one player because his stomach was transmitting.  ;D
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: firebug on <03-11-14/2105:11>
Hell, RFID tags are embedded in your candy bars.  So...  way smaller than a thumb.  :P
Almost killed one player because his stomach was transmitting.  ;D

Which is why real shadowrunners wrap themselves in tinfoil and paranoidly wave tag eraser over everything before touching it.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Dinendae on <03-12-14/0240:52>
Hell, RFID tags are embedded in your candy bars.  So...  way smaller than a thumb.  :P
Almost killed one player because his stomach was transmitting.  ;D

Which is why real shadowrunners wrap themselves in tinfoil and paranoidly wave tag eraser over everything before touching it.

Plan 9?
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Charasanya on <03-12-14/0512:33>
Closer to the size of your thumbNAIL and as thin as a sheet of paper. Even today RFID tags are about that small.
Think again:

(http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/hitachi-mu-chip.jpg)
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: ZeConster on <03-12-14/0957:55>
Some scientists are actually working on techniques to insert RFID tags into bank notes, and are pretty close to success. For that, they developed a technique that shaves them down to a thickness of 20 microns (0.02 mm), where a sheet of printer paper is roughly 0.095 mm thick.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Linkdeath on <03-12-14/1346:31>
Closer to the size of your thumbNAIL and as thin as a sheet of paper. Even today RFID tags are about that small.
Think again:

(http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/hitachi-mu-chip.jpg)
Yes, but the distance you'd be able to read that at probably measures in the millimeters. Since Shadowrunners tend to use RFID tags to track someone from across a city (sometimes) I'm still going to assume they're a little bigger than that, even in the 2070's. It's simply a matter of having an antenna big enough to send a measurable signal back to the reader, especially when the air is saturated with RF signals from the wireless Matrix.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Emperors Grace on <03-12-14/1656:28>
As alluded throughout, I think the method will depend on range and whether it's active or passive.

My assumption (as a GM) would be that they come with a self adhesive square somewhere on them as default unless they are huge.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Xenon on <03-12-14/1735:31>
Some scientists are actually working on techniques to insert RFID tags into bank notes...
The idea crossed our mind... But thieves using a RFID-scanner and from a distance pick out victims that carry a lot of money in their wallet kinda put an end to that brain storming session ;)


...It's simply a matter of having an antenna big enough to send a measurable signal back to the reader, especially when the air is saturated with RF signals from the wireless Matrix.
In SR5 you only need an antenna big enough to send a signal strong enough to be picked up and routed by the nearest wireless device....
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Sendaz on <03-12-14/1738:02>
My assumption (as a GM) would be that they come with a self adhesive square somewhere on them as default unless they are huge.

I think I have an allergy to the adhesive on these tags.

Good news.... we fixed it so it doesn't use that adhesive anymore...

Great, so how does it work now?

It's a suppository.

 :o
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: WellsIDidIt on <03-12-14/1745:32>
When I did automotive work, the company used RFID tags to track the tires coming in and out of the workshop. They were about four times the size of what Charasanya showed, but they had a range of about four hundred feet. You could pick them up with the wand from outside the building.

Of course, going with the cheapest supplier, the tags fried if they got wet or touched metal. That was absolutely perfect for tires being stored on metal racks in a leaky building.

I would expect by SR time they would have the range considerably extended.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: RHat on <03-12-14/1934:13>
Closer to the size of your thumbNAIL and as thin as a sheet of paper. Even today RFID tags are about that small.
Think again:

(http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/hitachi-mu-chip.jpg)
Yes, but the distance you'd be able to read that at probably measures in the millimeters. Since Shadowrunners tend to use RFID tags to track someone from across a city (sometimes) I'm still going to assume they're a little bigger than that, even in the 2070's. It's simply a matter of having an antenna big enough to send a measurable signal back to the reader, especially when the air is saturated with RF signals from the wireless Matrix.

Eh.  The tag just has to be able to reach the closest Matrix device, and then things will route.
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Reaver on <03-14-14/0054:55>
"Sneaky Runner, shadows his mark through the streets of Seattle. As per usual there the slight drizzle of sulphuric rain that Seattle is so known for, At least it keeps the Tacoma Aroma down. All around him and the mark, the wages laves of Seattle shuffle off to their drone lives, ether home to do a few more hours work before getting maybe 5 hours sleep that night. Or they were on their way to work, preying that the few extra hours they put in last night might have given them an inch up over some other wage slave in the same division...


Reality snapped Sneaky in the back of the head when his internal Commlink started squawking at him.

"Sneaky? Sneaky you there?!? You better be there Sneaky! You tag the mark yet? huh? I can't get a reading yet?!? you tag him? Huh? Sneaky? Sneaky you there?"

Spazz, as usual was living up to her name, with her hyperactive freaking into the commlink. By the plan, Sneaky still had 6 blocks before he had to plant the RFID tag, but to shut Spazz, up, Sneaky decided it was better to get to it..

"Tag will be on the mark in 2 minutes." Sneaky mentally sent back to Spazz before switching his commlink to silent and unavailable mode. A mode he never knew commlinks had before his partnership with Spazz encouraged him to seek out ways of muting her.

Sneaky increased his pace but not his stride. The trick was to look like you were focused on something in AR and no realizing you have increased your speed, otherwise you might upset the oblivious flow the wage slave Sheeple, and them being oblivious is what allowed Sneaky to be, well, Sneaky. As the Mark approached the street corner, the lights changed, causing the flow of pedestrians to come to a halt. Sneaky worked himself into the crowd, until he stood behind the Mark, facing his back. From his Pocket Sneaky Removed the tools he would need.

The fist was the case that contained the RFID chip he needed to attach to the Mark. The next was the eyedropper of glue. Ever so carefully, sneaky dabbed at the RFID chip with a gloved finger, hoping the edge of the tag would snag on a fiber and lift out of the container. On the second try, Sneaky managed to get the chip on his finger and casually dropped the container on the ground. Just an other piece of trash on the streets of Seattle, Sneaky focused his attention on the eyedropper.

The trick was to get enough glue on the tag to hold it, but not so much as to saturate the tag and drown it in glue, causing it to stick to his glove. Sneaky concentrated, and with the gentlest of breaths, applied a feather's pressure to the eye dropper. A tiny droplet of glue emerged on the fine tip of the dropper, which sneaky hovered over the RFID chip, almost willing the glue to stick to the chip and leave the dropper.

It was in a panic that Sneaky noticed the crowd had started to move forward, apparently he had been so absorbed in placing the glue, he missed the light changing! With the Mark now almost out of reach, Sneaky stretched out his arm and bushed his gloved finger on the Mark's shoulder, placing the RFID tag, and, to Sneaky's horror, his glove! Apparently, he had placed a fraction more glue then he needed and the super adhesive in the eyedropper had also made contact with the fibers of his glove.
 
All Sneaky could do was turn right and fade into the opposite flow of wage slave sheeple walking parallel to his original direction, as the Mark continued on his way to where he was going, plus one black synth leather glove glued to his right shoulder.

"Mark has been tagged. Visual identifier added. Black synth leather glove attached to rear right shoulder." Was the last Message Sneaky sent on down the line of watchers for the Mark, all the while wondering why RFID tags didn't come with their own built in adhesive. Being less then a square millimeter in size, the stealth tags are just too small to apply any glue to and not accidentally bond it to something unintended.... "



*****

I am pretty sure they come with an adhesive built in if you want them to :D
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: norskface on <03-14-14/1314:55>
Dude, you made me so laugh!!!!!

XDXDXDXDXDXXXXXD

This is actually the reason Im normally on Forum and you even solved my problem instantly! ;D ;D :'(
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Insaniac99 on <03-14-14/1344:56>
Agreed, props to you Reaver for that great piece of fiction
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Sendaz on <03-14-14/1350:18>
I am stuck on RFID's because RFIDs are stuck on me!!
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Kincaid on <03-14-14/1405:22>
Someone needs to spend more karma on Palming  ;D
Title: Re: Putting on RIFD tags
Post by: Reaver on <03-14-14/1617:48>
<reads the above post>
 :o

WELL... It seems I can do something half assed well when I have been drinking!



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