Shadowrun
Shadowrun Play => Rules and such => Topic started by: Highroller86 on <02-14-16/0655:32>
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So one of my players wanted to make a Decker who also can do some Riggin'...
I said sure, let's buy some 'wares! Now... When i was looking at the Control Rig, it said: "...blahblahblah, you can use it for DNI with other devices,
it's like getting a free Datajack..."
So... He wouldn't need an extra Datajack for his Decker... uhm... things?
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Well he might not need it but a true Datajack provides noise reduction while the jack from the CC doesn't
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Well he might not need it but a true Datajack provides noise reduction while the jack from the CC doesn't
Why do you think that the free/included Datajack is not a full Datajack ?
I can't find anything that restricts the Datajack from the Riggercontrol of being different or less than a Stand-alone Datajack
JahtaHey
Medicineman
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Because the description does not mention the wireless noise bonus under the CC. Also the description under mentions the similarities with a full Datajack (retractable cord, universal connector), not that is it a full Datajack (no wireless bonus). (CRB p. 452)
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Well he might not need it but a true Datajack provides noise reduction while the jack from the CC doesn't
And you can stack up to 3 of them for noise reduction. Alphaware datajacks cost very little nuyen and essence, and are easily affordable under the resources a rigger/decker will have.
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Why "up to 3"? I don't recall any such limitation listed in the book.
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Why "up to 3"? I don't recall any such limitation listed in the book.
Saw that on the forums here, but I can't remember where. Something like up to 3 datajacks, and up to three antennae for noise reduction up to 6.
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That is most likely a house rule, then. I'm not against limits per se, but the book doesn't actually have any for datajacks.
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Why "up to 3"? I don't recall any such limitation listed in the book.
Saw that on the forums here, but I can't remember where. Something like up to 3 datajacks, and up to three antennae for noise reduction up to 6.
The only place where they've said "limit of 3" was for the Antenna implants from Chrome Flesh.
One of the Freelancers came back and said their intention was to allow people to get as many Datajacks implanted as they want, which is utterly pointless. If you can do that, you could fill 1.0 Essence with 10x Datajacks and NEVER worry about Noise again. At which point, why bother leaving home? Suddenly we're right back to basement hackers with no reason to tag along on the team.
For my money, The Control Rig gets wired to all the points of your brain that a Datajack would go, and then some. That's why it provides DNI, and since it comes with a spool of cable, it says "it's basically like getting a free Datajack." However, since it doesn't expressly say it includes the Wireless Bonus, then it does not. In exchange for the Noise reduction, instead you are getting the ability to Jump Into devices. Besides, RCCs get way better Noise Reduction anyway.
And since it's already connected to all those places in your brain, I personally wouldn't allow someone to add a Datajack on top of that. It's like trying to plug several different appliances into the exact same outlet. There are no extension cords / power strips for your synapses. Which is why I also wouldn't allow someone to start doubling up on Datajacks in general. Adding USB ports to your computer will not make talking to a single device any faster. The connection between your mind and the target doesn't try and go through all of those Datajacks simultaneously (which is what would be required if you stacked the Noise Reduction), it just goes through one of them, and then out to the world.
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There's reasons to have more than one datajack besides noise... disallowing them based on what you picture control rig to be is rather arbitrary.
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There's reasons to have more than one datajack besides noise... disallowing them based on what you picture control rig to be is rather arbitrary.
I'd disallow multiple datajacks because of cheese, personally.
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Whiskey
Even though Catalyst NPCs have multiple datajacks, and multiple datajacks are a staple in the fiction especially amongst older hackers?
How come? What's cheese about multiple datajacks that can't more easily be resolved by disallowing the stacking of noise reduction vs disallowing them altogether?
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Yeah, it's the penalty stacking that's cheesy imo.
If someone wants multiple jacks just as input points or to pay for fluff decisions, whatever.
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I allow having multiple Datajacks implanted, I just don't let the bonus stack. Each jack can only give its noise bonus to one separate device at a time
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So instead of bothering with multiple Datajack implants, and deciding whether or not the Noise Reduction should stack for any single device... just let your player purchase a
USB UDC Hub. Plug everything into there, with 1 connection to your Datajack, and there you go.
The game really doesn't need to be any more complicated than it already is. The writers suck at expressing themselves, but we players don't have to perpetuate the problem at home. ;)
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I'd only give them the NR for a device which is actually plugged into the data jack.
Another question, can the rigger/decker slave his deck to his RCC, so as to use the cheaper RCC's firewall, plus allow drones to also be slaved to the RCC and thus be able to share autosofts.
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Well, you could link up your devices to your commlink/deck and then connect your jack to that. Then tge bonus would be spread around I guess. I know some allow the jack to connect to multiple devices simultaneously.
The only advantage of having multiple jacks is really multiple cords.
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Another question, can the rigger/decker slave his deck to his RCC, so as to use the cheaper RCC's firewall, plus allow drones to also be slaved to the RCC and thus be able to share autosofts.
This question comes up a lot, and there are different stances on it. "Officially" there is no right answer.
Some GMs will insist that the Master of the PAN is the only one which can manifest your Persona. This is to prevent you from Slaving your Deck to a high priced Commlink, inheriting the high Firewall, and setting the Deck's Firewall low so you can maximize the rest of your ASDF.
YMMV, ask your GM. =)
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The raw says it all wireless bonus states rating one noise reduction kinda doubt ratings from same sources stack RCC noise reduction signal scrub vector filter even antennae yes they stack but three data Jacks no and if you want multiple connections just get a universal data port jack hub course now I wanna know if you can run smart link with old school program translator and still get the +2 dice pool bonus
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The raw says it all wireless bonus states rating one noise reduction kinda doubt ratings from same sources stack RCC noise reduction signal scrub vector filter even antennae yes they stack but three data Jacks no and if you want multiple connections just get a universal data port jack hub course now I wanna know if you can run smart link with old school program translator and still get the +2 dice pool bonus
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SR5 Smartguns have 2 effects. Just by being connected between the gun and your Eyeware, you get a +2 Accuracy bonus. This applies whether you're connected wirelessly, or have a cable trailing from the gun to your glasses. It's the onboard software of the gun helping to calculate targeting.
The 2nd bonus comes from the gun's ability to connect to the wireless Matrix, downloading weather data, and using cloud processing to speed up calculations for precise trajectories and whatnot. That is what gives you the +1 or +2 attack dice. If the weapon isn't wirelessly connected to the Matrix, you do not receive the bonus dice.
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The raw says it all wireless bonus states rating one noise reduction kinda doubt ratings from same sources stack RCC noise reduction signal scrub vector filter even antennae yes they stack but three data Jacks no and if you want multiple connections just get a universal data port jack hub course now I wanna know if you can run smart link with old school program translator and still get the +2 dice pool bonus
You may doubt and you may choose to do as you wish at your table.
However, the develepors have confirmed datajacks stack.
And I do not believe that RAW limits how many datajacks can stack.
Is this overpowered- I'd say yes if there weren't so many other things that reduce noise, including clothing material.
As to your second question- if I'm reading it right, you want to be able to use throwbacks not wirelessly and get the +2DP...no-smartlink requires wireless now. It changed, Why? Because, Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets… (Magic, that's why.)
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You may doubt and you may choose to do as you wish at your table.
However, the developers have confirmed datajacks stack.
Actually, one of the Freelancers spoke up and said it was their intention for Datajacks to stack. That is not an official endorsement (http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=23377.0), just another voice in the crowd arguing RAW vs RAI.
As for other sources of Noise Reduction. Yes they are plentiful, but none so readily available, cheap to implement, and easy to conceal. If you can have a dozen USB ports sprouting from your neck, and never worry about Noise again, then you wouldn't need to worry about occupying Program slots to run Signal Scrub, or paying for more expensive and unsightly Antennas, or wearing a Fresnel Fabric suit instead of an armored leather jacket... There are other sources, but they present their own checks and balances. Redundant Datajacks do not, unless you restrict how many can be implanted at once.
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That is most likely a house rule, then. I'm not against limits per se, but the book doesn't actually have any for datajacks.
It might be a Missions thing as well; that's the only type of Shadowrun tabletop game I get to play. :'(
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Another question, can the rigger/decker slave his deck to his RCC, so as to use the cheaper RCC's firewall, plus allow drones to also be slaved to the RCC and thus be able to share autosofts.
This question comes up a lot, and there are different stances on it. "Officially" there is no right answer.
Some GMs will insist that the Master of the PAN is the only one which can manifest your Persona. This is to prevent you from Slaving your Deck to a high priced Commlink, inheriting the high Firewall, and setting the Deck's Firewall low so you can maximize the rest of your ASDF.
I personally think RCC's should be devices which can't master or slave. The way I would have written them would be if you add one as a slave to your network (PAN or WAN) then the features it provides would be available to all rigged devices in your network. Doing it this way would mean that the number of rigged devices you could add to your network would be controlled by your comlink, or deck. The RCC would just add the features. If you needed more autosofts than your RCC can handle, you shave another RCC to your network.
It would also mean for example if you were the spider for a 50 floor building, you could slave a few RCC's to your host, and they would handle the autosofts for your torrents, cameras, vacuum cleaners, coffie makers etc, as currently,I can't see how else you can do it with current rules, as I believe everything is slaved to the host.
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It would also mean for example if you were the spider for a 50 floor building, you could slave a few RCC's to your host, and they would handle the autosofts for your torrents, cameras, vacuum cleaners, coffie makers etc, as currently,I can't see how else you can do it with current rules, as I believe everything is slaved to the host.
Torrent autosofts. Much bits. So speed. Wow...
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