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Highroller86

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« on: <02-14-16/0655:32> »
So one of my players wanted to make a Decker who also can do some Riggin'...
I said sure, let's buy some 'wares! Now... When i was looking at the Control Rig, it said: "...blahblahblah, you can use it for DNI with other devices,
it's like getting a free Datajack..."
So... He wouldn't need an extra Datajack for his Decker... uhm... things?

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« Reply #1 on: <02-14-16/0716:18> »
Well he might not need it but a true Datajack provides noise reduction while the jack from the CC doesn't
If Tom Brady’s a Spike Baby, what does that make Brees and Rodgers?

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« Reply #2 on: <02-14-16/0743:34> »
Well he might not need it but a true Datajack provides noise reduction while the jack from the CC doesn't
Why do you think that the free/included Datajack is not a full Datajack ?
I can't find anything that restricts the  Datajack from the Riggercontrol of being different or less than a Stand-alone Datajack

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« Reply #3 on: <02-14-16/0752:39> »
Because the description does not mention the wireless noise bonus under the CC. Also the description under mentions the similarities with a full Datajack (retractable cord, universal connector), not that is it a full Datajack (no wireless bonus). (CRB p. 452)

If Tom Brady’s a Spike Baby, what does that make Brees and Rodgers?

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« Reply #4 on: <02-14-16/0953:03> »
Well he might not need it but a true Datajack provides noise reduction while the jack from the CC doesn't


And you can stack up to 3 of them for noise reduction. Alphaware datajacks cost very little nuyen and essence, and are easily affordable under the resources a rigger/decker will have.

Herr Brackhaus

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« Reply #5 on: <02-14-16/1001:34> »
Why "up to 3"? I don't recall any such limitation listed in the book.

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« Reply #6 on: <02-14-16/1005:36> »
Why "up to 3"? I don't recall any such limitation listed in the book.


Saw that on the forums here, but I can't remember where. Something like up to 3 datajacks, and up to three antennae for noise reduction up to 6.

Herr Brackhaus

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« Reply #7 on: <02-14-16/1131:54> »
That is most likely a house rule, then. I'm not against limits per se, but the book doesn't actually have any for datajacks.

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« Reply #8 on: <02-14-16/1303:08> »
Why "up to 3"? I don't recall any such limitation listed in the book.
Saw that on the forums here, but I can't remember where. Something like up to 3 datajacks, and up to three antennae for noise reduction up to 6.
The only place where they've said "limit of 3" was for the Antenna implants from Chrome Flesh.

One of the Freelancers came back and said their intention was to allow people to get as many Datajacks implanted as they want, which is utterly pointless. If you can do that, you could fill 1.0 Essence with 10x Datajacks and NEVER worry about Noise again. At which point, why bother leaving home? Suddenly we're right back to basement hackers with no reason to tag along on the team.

For my money, The Control Rig gets wired to all the points of your brain that a Datajack would go, and then some. That's why it provides DNI, and since it comes with a spool of cable, it says "it's basically like getting a free Datajack." However, since it doesn't expressly say it includes the Wireless Bonus, then it does not. In exchange for the Noise reduction, instead you are getting the ability to Jump Into devices. Besides, RCCs get way better Noise Reduction anyway.

And since it's already connected to all those places in your brain, I personally wouldn't allow someone to add a Datajack on top of that. It's like trying to plug several different appliances into the exact same outlet. There are no extension cords / power strips for your synapses. Which is why I also wouldn't allow someone to start doubling up on Datajacks in general. Adding USB ports to your computer will not make talking to a single device any faster. The connection between your mind and the target doesn't try and go through all of those Datajacks simultaneously (which is what would be required if you stacked the Noise Reduction), it just goes through one of them, and then out to the world.
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« Reply #9 on: <02-14-16/1515:39> »
There's reasons to have more than one datajack besides noise...  disallowing them based on what you picture control rig to be is rather arbitrary.

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« Reply #10 on: <02-14-16/1526:07> »
There's reasons to have more than one datajack besides noise...  disallowing them based on what you picture control rig to be is rather arbitrary.
I'd disallow multiple datajacks because of cheese, personally.
Playability > verisimilitude.

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« Reply #11 on: <02-14-16/1536:14> »
Whiskey
Even though Catalyst NPCs have multiple datajacks, and multiple datajacks are a staple in the fiction especially amongst older hackers?

How come? What's cheese about multiple datajacks that can't more easily be resolved by disallowing the stacking of noise reduction vs disallowing them altogether?

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« Reply #12 on: <02-14-16/1541:02> »
Yeah, it's the penalty stacking that's cheesy imo.

If someone wants multiple jacks just as input points or to pay for fluff decisions, whatever.
Playability > verisimilitude.

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« Reply #13 on: <02-14-16/1638:40> »
I allow having multiple Datajacks implanted, I just don't let the bonus stack. Each jack can only give its noise bonus to one separate device at a time
If Tom Brady’s a Spike Baby, what does that make Brees and Rodgers?

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« Reply #14 on: <02-14-16/1736:09> »
So instead of bothering with multiple Datajack implants, and deciding whether or not the Noise Reduction should stack for any single device... just let your player purchase a USB UDC Hub. Plug everything into there, with 1 connection to your Datajack, and there you go.

The game really doesn't need to be any more complicated than it already is. The writers suck at expressing themselves, but we players don't have to perpetuate the problem at home. ;)
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