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Shadowrun General => The Secret History => Topic started by: nimrod_funk on <03-09-11/2128:35>
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Seeing as it's 2011 I thought I'd ask what happened to Renny and Haberstam. I loved the novela at the end of the Virtual Realities book.
After Harlequins back what happen to old Harlequin besides a stint on Celopatra 25xx TV Show.
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Haberstam has shown up, and I doubt he will again unless he pulls one hell of a rabbit out of his hat. Good, bastard.
I think Harlequin is about due to return to the scene again sometime soon... Be one hell of a ride when he does! Wish I had been playing when his adventures had come out. :(
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Halberstam was running a lab experimenting on TM's at Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Hong Kong. He appears to have been killed during the TMs escape.
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Appears being the operative word. He's been a bad penny before, he might show up again missing a few parts, and more insane than ever.
And I WAS trying to avoid spoilers and force people to look on their own. :P
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Indeed he may. Wish there would have been more of his creepy self in there. Even without him it's a great book for getting the feel of what the emergence was like.
I figured, were the OP concerned about spoilers he'd not be asking for updates and anyone reading the Secret History threads should expect them. :)
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Good point, sorry.
You know, aside from a few issues I have about some characters I want to use, I got an idea dealing with TMs and Emergence for some of my stories...
OK, Habby and his Happy Severed Heads (Sounds like a Trog Rock group, doesn't it?), and Harley (No, not that one, the other one!) have been accounted for...
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It's been years since I read it, but I want to say Renny retired after the events in VR. Probably wrong tho.
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Now, how about Dodger and Twist?
Kham is in the Old Ork's Home (Runner Havens, page 99), but the Bot’Kham are still around. I've hinted that my Marty Sue, er, favorite Mr. Johnson has connections with them.
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Wish I had been playing when his adventures had come out. :(
Fear I maybe dating myself... I've played both the old Harlequin adventures, once as player, and again as GM. It's kinda neat, I feel like I'm the one who 'kidnapped' Frosty, I read her new Jackpoint stuff and it's like: Hey I know you, you were some silly secretary running with a loser gang.
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Wish I had been playing when his adventures had come out. :(
Fear I maybe dating myself... I've played both the old Harlequin adventures, once as player, and again as GM. It's kinda neat, I feel like I'm the one who 'kidnapped' Frosty, I read her new Jackpoint stuff and it's like: Hey I know you, you were some silly secretary running with a loser gang.
Yeah! I want that feeling!
Can't even find a GM in the city...
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Fear I maybe dating myself...
Ha! Have no fear, chica, dating yourself here...well...look at the respect given to Fastjack :)
The fiction at the beginning of Dusk: Dawn of the Artifacts has Harlequin in it...seems he's been busy leveling his MMORPG characters, ha!
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Fear I maybe dating myself...
Ha! Have no fear, chica, dating yourself here...well...look at the respect given to Fastjack :)
The fiction at the beginning of Dusk: Dawn of the Artifacts has Harlequin in it...seems he's been busy leveling his MMORPG characters, ha!
Hmmm??
Yes, quite. ;)
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Fizzygoo does love that upon evoking Fastjack's name one does summon the elder like compiling a sprite in a UV host with a stick of bubblegum and an eldrich warhammer of doom.
:D
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... I loved the novela at the end of the Virtual Realities book.
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I´d love to read it. I tried to pick up VR on e-bay for several years, but never found it! Is the story re-printed or published online somewhere else?
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Maybe Catalyst will publish the Virtual Realities source book online? Or at least release the novela for free? It was one of my favorite Shadowrun stories.
One year for Halloween I went to a party dressed as Harlequin in a business suit. I brought a laser and shined it on all the gal's ummm yeah...I was pretty drunk at that party but I feel the drunker I got the more "in character" I was.
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How'd you find an "I Like Ike" pin?
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Maybe Catalyst will publish the Virtual Realities source book online? Or at least release the novela for free?
I´d love that! Please please please :D
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My brain might be a bit misrememberful, but I swear I thought I read something about a relatively 'new' hacker in the shadows with the handle Lucifer...
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There's Fifty "Lucifer"s, a hundred "Satan"s, and who knows how many other handles that involve The Prince of Darkness. (Surprisingly, Ozzy is not as popular a Handle.).
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(Surprisingly, Ozzy is not as popular a Handle.).
True. Oddly enough, 'Meat Loaf', is...
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(Surprisingly, Ozzy is not as popular a Handle.).
True. Oddly enough, 'Meat Loaf', is...
Everyone loves Meat Loaf...
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Wonder how popular Bat Outta Hell would be. :-\
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"Next up for auction is an autographed copy of a Meatloaf 'Bat Out Of Hell' 8-Track Tape. Bidding will start at one hundred thousand nuyen."
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So.........no Dodger sightings as of yet? I loved his character (obviously) but, I think his story is sadly at an end, unless we want to see the return of the whole A.I. Metaplot. I wouldn't mind, Dues scared the drek outta me.... :o
~dodger
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I don't think we've seen the last of DUES... There's been some hints if you know where to look.
As for Dodger, we don't even know if he survived Crash 2.0... I guess we'll have to hunt down his chummer, Twist and ask him.
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Wait! I got it! Hackbaby was actually Dodger all along!
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Great, now I have Hackbaby in both forums...
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You should get that checked out :P
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Great, now I have Hackbaby in both forums...
Did it REALLY think that it wouldn't migrate over here?
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I knew it was only a matter of time. Just hoping that other things... Ah, never mind.
Hey, where's Argent? Is he still around in the 2070s? Did Peg survive Crash 2.0?
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Argent is probably still around, Death looks over it's shoulder for him. Peg is still too, I think, last I can absolutely pin her down she was running a team called DAMAGE (I think that's the name), but was having a hard time keeping them under control. Then again she can't unplug herself from the matrix so might not have made it out. Sane anyway.
Edit- clarity
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*Sighs* I have some ideas, but dare not write them down for fear...
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A lot of the old NPCs haven't been accounted for yet. Jack Skater, Archangel, and the rest of their crew, Dirk Montgomery as well.
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Dirk, Wolf (Not the one with Dr. Raven, the other Wolf), and Argent's author is gone now. :'( Doubt we'll ever see any of them again.
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Yeah, it's a terrible shame too those were great characters.
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Dirk, Wolf (Not the one with Dr. Raven, the other Wolf), and Argent's author is gone now. :'( Doubt we'll ever see any of them again.
Dirk is actually back in a short story in the Spells & Chrome anthology. The story is called Caliban and was written by Phaedra Weldon, who apparently has also written an upcoming novel about Netcat!
The story was really good and takes place in current times, though I am a little upset about a very wrong detail from his past in it.
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He didn't turn Dirk into a full-on cyborg, did he?
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though I am a little upset about a very wrong detail from his past in it.
Yeah I was kind of :o about that too.
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Ill put a SPOILER ALERT here but try to still be vague since I am not familiar on how the rules go here yet. (Newb to the forum)
I think there was a few discrepancies but the biggest one, to me at least, was that he was doing a favor for a friend of his in the story. That friend was killed, very gruesomely, in the original novels. So it felt to me like the author just read the first couple of chapters to get personality down and then started writing.
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Aw son of a... You're kidding? A thing as big as that? What's next, he runs into his sister and they're happy to see each other?
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lol, I think that would of been even worse!
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Aw son of a... You're kidding? A thing as big as that? What's next, he runs into his sister and they're happy to see each other?
Apparently, she's an executive VP at Ares now :/
Trying to find the book/page reference now, but it's eluding me.
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You mean the page in the novel or its also mentioned in a source book?
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You mean the page in the novel or its also mentioned in a source book?
Sourcebook. It's Augmentation, p13. She's now the CEO of Info-Sante, the Ares-owned competitor for DocWagon.
Background: Theresa Montgomery was a BTL addict in the early 2050s who got hooked on 2XS and was dragged to a Yamatetsu (corp that became Evo) facility to implant her with a Wasp spirit. At the same time, CrashCart was also snagging people for implantation, using the good merges to infiltrate pretty much everything they could. So basically Cross decided when they wanted to start a DocWagon/CrashCart company, they'd put a friggin' BUG in charge who was originally attempted to be implanted by a hive that was trying to use EXACTLY THAT SORT OF COMPANY to spread. And then ARES (the corporation that is known for dealing with bugs!!!) buys out the company and LEAVES HER IN PLACE! Theresa was saved before the merge was complete, but she ended up going back and getting implanted (not sure if it was the same hive). But she underwent months of treatment in between that would've shown up on even the most rudimentary background check.
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Considering some of the mutterings coming about Ares, it makes sense that she be left in place...
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Considering some of the mutterings coming about Ares, it makes sense that she be left in place...
On that note, and veering off topic, anyone know why Roger Soaring-Owl left Ares? (I don't own Corporate Guide yet, so I'm unaware if it's mentioned in there.) After the Soaring-Owl linked Unseen were so incredibly successful against CATCo, I figured his position in Ares would be stronger than ever.
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Apparently he left because he disagreed with a Knight policy decision.
I personally think he found out Ares is experimenting with bugs a little to much which most sane awakened would find very offensive.
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Make that "anyone sane". Awakened are just a bit more attuned to things.
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But that should have been known to him since at least Threats 2.
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But that should have been known to him since at least Threats 2.
Known, or just suspected? Don't forget the power of friendship.
But that only lasts so long until something is thrust right into your face...
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And even then it's pretty strong. Soaring Owl might just have decided to get all patriotic and go work for his own people.
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And even then it's pretty strong. Soaring Owl might just have decided to get all patriotic and go work for his own people.
It could be on the other side. It's not what Ares did wrong, but what the Sioux did right to lure him away. Or a combination of the two. Any big rumblings from the Sioux Nation recently?
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Not nearly enough from the NAN for the 4th Edition in my mind...
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Re: Roger Soaring-Owl leaving Ares.
I just bought Corporate Guide, and it's pretty clear he left Ares abruptly after finding out that UnlimiTech in Chicago was experimenting (and perhaps working with) insect spirits. I wonder if Arthur Vogel found out as well... that would certainly encourage me to live in a space station. (Although it's more implied that he's avoiding his shadowy backers... Hualpa & Co.)
Also, it seems that the Unseen are more tied directly to Damien Knight rather than Roger Soaring-Owl and therefore unaffected by his departure. I'm just shocked Knight hired Clayton Wilson to head Knight Errant. My money would have been on Karen King.
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Not nearly enough from the NAN for the 4th Edition in my mind...
Not enough in 2nd or 3rd either for that matter. It's like they had an idea when they wrote it but decided "Meh" when it came time to flesh it out. I've only thumbed through the two NAN books and always seem to skim their sections in Target: UCAS/Shadows of North America/Sixth World Almanac type books. Probably because I'm always digging for more info about Tir Tairngire, the Great Dragons, the other IE running around, the Horrors, and Insect spirits in that order...
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Beats the everloving shit out of FanPro's depiction of all of Africa. West Africa being a new type of hell/adventureland would have been fine. But I would prefer they left it alone than make me have to fix it from a horrible Dark Continent motif.
Er, uh ... I mean WANT to fix. And yes, the Mog piece in War is good because, well, shit needed to be torn down first.
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Beats the everloving shit out of FanPro's depiction of all of Africa. West Africa being a new type of hell/adventureland would have been fine. But I would prefer they left it alone than make me have to fix it from a horrible Dark Continent motif.
Er, uh ... I mean WANT to fix. And yes, the Mog piece in War is good because, well, shit needed to be torn down first.
One thing that's bugged me since the FASA days but especially during FanPro and Catalyst where global communication is so much easier. Shadowrun has fans all over the world at this point, as proven by these boards and Dumpshock plus the frequency of posts about Shadowrun on ENWorld, RPGnet, etc. etc. Would it kill them to email fans from an area they're about to write about and say "Hey, wanna give us info about your home so we get it right?" Been a running theme anytime any city is brought up except Seattle (where they did a crapload of research) and Chicago (where the old FASA offices were).
Hell, next time they want to add details about Austin, I really wish they'd email me. I'm highly annoyed at recent depictions of the city that were apparently written by someone whose entire research was spending 2 minutes on Google Maps.
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I wouldn't say a crapload of research was done on Seattle. Possibly more than other places but really other than correcting the maps from 2050 (which were bad, really bad) and adding a couple places that exist there was no big new rewrite to fit actual seattle
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There are a couple hardcore Texans in the writing pool right now, and I am absolutely not one, so I think Austin is /pretty/ safe right now/in the near future.
I blame Africa squarely on Peter Taylor and the SoE writing crew. It's basically their version of American writers' work on Mexico, and we know how well that turned out.
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Just don't ask me to write about Quebec. :P
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I blame Africa squarely on Peter Taylor and the SoE writing crew. It's basically their version of American writers' work on Mexico, and we know how well that turned out.
That statement is ignorant. Given that Synner isn't here to defend himself, could you explain how in six hells Shadows of Europe is at all responsible for the depiction of Africa in SR? Even if you meant Shadows of Asia, which Syn was also involved with, and which does cover a few countries in the Middle East that border on Africa, it still doesn't make any damn sense.
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I blame Africa squarely on Peter Taylor and the SoE writing crew. It's basically their version of American writers' work on Mexico, and we know how well that turned out.
That statement is ignorant. Given that Synner isn't here to defend himself, could you explain how in six hells Shadows of Europe is at all responsible for the depiction of Africa in SR? Even if you meant Shadows of Asia, which Syn was also involved with, and which does cover a few countries in the Middle East that border on Africa, it still doesn't make any damn sense.
I think there were some bits about Lofwyr and Aden's pissing match over the Middle East in SoE, but it was far more detailed in SoA and DotSW from what I remember. Maybe that's what he's talking about?
Personally, I didn't see any problem with the writing in Mexico (Aztlan's one of my favorite sourcebooks), but I also have never been there even though I'm a daytrip away from the border. UK seemed to get it the worst especially with Scotland. And a lot of the stuff on England seemed...off. At least from what I know. A lot of Europe seemed strange too, but I'm going to put faith in the huge German fanbase to have fixed that over the years.
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There's a lot of weirdness wherever you look in SR. Some of it can be chalked up to Did Not Do The Research (Roman roads in Ireland, 6WA), some of it to Collaborative Blah (Seattle as McCity in Runner Havens), and some to Author Idiosyncrasy (Lagos and Chicago, Feral Cities). If you're going to blame someone, it should at least be for something specific and something they've actually done.
While I'm here, in regards to the OP, might as well mention: early on in SR4, I'd decided that Renny would be making a comeback as one of the shadowtalkers. Unfortunately, the reveal was in The Untethered Life (http://ancientfiles.dumpshock.com/Docs/TheUntetheredLife_Derie.pdf), one of the drafts that I took with me when I left. It's a continuation or follow-up to a bit of fiction I wrote, The Wake of Captain Chaos (http://ancientfiles.dumpshock.com/TheWake.doc).
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Just don't ask me to write about Quebec. :P
Indeed, some of us wouldn't take that well. :P
While we're on the topic of cultural faux-pas in SR canon, it really would have been nice if SR4 actually took the step to retcon the most egregious cultural insensivity in North America. I can't really imagine any of the Lakota I know naming their newly independent country the "Sioux" Nation.
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Ain't gonna happen.
Like I said, I have no problem with west Africa being a bit ... crazy, and that's all Cyberpirates!. So was wiping out most of Africa. But it's the line from SSG about the continent being bugs, toxics, and ghouls is what I think of as the shining contribution and to SR once someone finally got around to it. It was like a warning: Fuck Africa. We don't give a shit.
Lagos was just ... I don't even know what to say about that or the sidebar writeup on everywhere else. I have no problem defending it or any book location, but it just comes off as more of the same shit FanPro couldn't get enough of that was just inserting RL shit into SR like, well, comics have been doing. Both are lazy, creatively vacant, and stupid in the context of being background for magical and cybered runners/superheroes respectively in worlds that ARE NOT OUR OWN. I will be damned if I do that while I have my shot writing for this game.
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I can't really imagine any of the Lakota I know naming their newly independent country the "Sioux" Nation.
I've always wanted to write about an overly litigious, Native from Cheyenne, assistant chef named after the guy who wrote The Art of War. Johnny Cash wrote a song about him.
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Ain't gonna happen.
Like I said, I have no problem with west Africa being a bit ... crazy, and that's all Cyberpirates!. So was wiping out most of Africa. But it's the line from SSG about the continent being bugs, toxics, and ghouls is what I think of as the shining contribution and to SR once someone finally got around to it. It was like a warning: Fuck Africa. We don't give a shit.
Lagos was just ... I don't even know what to say about that or the sidebar writeup on everywhere else. I have no problem defending it or any book location, but it just comes off as more of the same shit FanPro couldn't get enough of that was just inserting RL shit into SR like, well, comics have been doing. Both are lazy, creatively vacant, and stupid in the context of being background for magical and cybered runners/superheroes respectively in worlds that ARE NOT OUR OWN. I will be damned if I do that while I have my shot writing for this game.
And if you want to bitch about FASA (Cyberpirates!), FanPro (Sprawl Survival Guide), Catalyst (Feral Cities, Sixth World Almanac), that's your prerogative. If you want to name names, then I expect you to be able to back that shit up. At least Synner didn't demarcate half of Africa as "There are brown people here!" with that Congo Tribal bullshit.