[DesVoeux]

Considering some of the mutterings coming about Ares, it makes sense that she be left in place...

On that note, and veering off topic, anyone know why Roger Soaring-Owl left Ares? (I don't own Corporate Guide yet, so I'm unaware if it's mentioned in there.) After the Soaring-Owl linked Unseen were so incredibly successful against CATCo, I figured his position in Ares would be stronger than ever.

[ChaoticWeevil]

Apparently he left because he disagreed with a Knight policy decision.

I personally think he found out Ares is experimenting with bugs a little to much which most sane awakened would find very offensive.

[CanRay]

Make that "anyone sane".  Awakened are just a bit more attuned to things.

[Crimsondude]

But that should have been known to him since at least Threats 2.

[CanRay]

But that should have been known to him since at least Threats 2.

Known, or just suspected?  Don't forget the power of friendship.

But that only lasts so long until something is thrust right into your face...

[Angelone]

And even then it's pretty strong. Soaring Owl might just have decided to get all patriotic and go work for his own people.

[Abstruse]

And even then it's pretty strong. Soaring Owl might just have decided to get all patriotic and go work for his own people.

It could be on the other side.  It's not what Ares did wrong, but what the Sioux did right to lure him away.  Or a combination of the two.  Any big rumblings from the Sioux Nation recently?

[CanRay]

Not nearly enough from the NAN for the 4th Edition in my mind...

[DesVoeux]

Re: Roger Soaring-Owl leaving Ares.

I just bought Corporate Guide, and it's pretty clear he left Ares abruptly after finding out that UnlimiTech in Chicago was experimenting (and perhaps working with) insect spirits. I wonder if Arthur Vogel found out as well... that would certainly encourage me to live in a space station. (Although it's more implied that he's avoiding his shadowy backers... Hualpa & Co.)

Also, it seems that the Unseen are more tied directly to Damien Knight rather than Roger Soaring-Owl and therefore unaffected by his departure. I'm just shocked Knight hired Clayton Wilson to head Knight Errant. My money would have been on Karen King.

[Abstruse]

Not nearly enough from the NAN for the 4th Edition in my mind...

Not enough in 2nd or 3rd either for that matter.  It's like they had an idea when they wrote it but decided "Meh" when it came time to flesh it out.  I've only thumbed through the two NAN books and always seem to skim their sections in Target: UCAS/Shadows of North America/Sixth World Almanac type books.  Probably because I'm always digging for more info about Tir Tairngire, the Great Dragons, the other IE running around, the Horrors, and Insect spirits in that order...

[Crimsondude]

Beats the everloving shit out of FanPro's depiction of all of Africa. West Africa being a new type of hell/adventureland would have been fine. But I would prefer they left it alone than make me have to fix it from a horrible Dark Continent motif.

Er, uh ... I mean WANT to fix. And yes, the Mog piece in War is good because, well, shit needed to be torn down first.

[Abstruse]

Beats the everloving shit out of FanPro's depiction of all of Africa. West Africa being a new type of hell/adventureland would have been fine. But I would prefer they left it alone than make me have to fix it from a horrible Dark Continent motif.

Er, uh ... I mean WANT to fix. And yes, the Mog piece in War is good because, well, shit needed to be torn down first.

One thing that's bugged me since the FASA days but especially during FanPro and Catalyst where global communication is so much easier.  Shadowrun has fans all over the world at this point, as proven by these boards and Dumpshock plus the frequency of posts about Shadowrun on ENWorld, RPGnet, etc. etc.  Would it kill them to email fans from an area they're about to write about and say "Hey, wanna give us info about your home so we get it right?"  Been a running theme anytime any city is brought up except Seattle (where they did a crapload of research) and Chicago (where the old FASA offices were).

Hell, next time they want to add details about Austin, I really wish they'd email me.  I'm highly annoyed at recent depictions of the city that were apparently written by someone whose entire research was spending 2 minutes on Google Maps.

[mortonstromgal]

I wouldn't say a crapload of research was done on Seattle. Possibly more than other places but really other than correcting the maps from 2050 (which were bad, really bad) and adding a couple places that exist there was no big new rewrite to fit actual seattle

[Crimsondude]

There are a couple hardcore Texans in the writing pool right now, and I am absolutely not one, so I think Austin is /pretty/ safe right now/in the near future.

I blame Africa squarely on Peter Taylor and the SoE writing crew. It's basically their version of American writers' work on Mexico, and we know how well that turned out.

[CanRay]

Just don't ask me to write about Quebec.