An example of the highest pay one i've made currently is actually a wetwork going after a rich blood mage. (The party already hates this person, so do I since she screwed most of my friends PC wise.) Anyways figure it's going to be really dangerous especially with blood magic metamagic... o.O'
An example of the highest pay one i've made currently is actually a wetwork going after a rich blood mage. (The party already hates this person, so do I since she screwed most of my friends PC wise.) Anyways figure it's going to be really dangerous especially with blood magic metamagic... o.O'
So how much is the Johnson offering for this job? Since there's a 1 million ¥ bounty on blood mages a Johnson offering 100,000¥ (10%) to the group would not be out of the ordinary...assuming the Johnson wants the body to claim the bounty for him/herself.
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Bah, they get some coupons for Stuffer Shack! They're street scum, they'll love that. :PCompletely unrelated to the main topic, but our group's hacker in the last game I played in would leave Stuffer Shack gift cards over the eyes of people he killed, a la coins for the ferryman.
Far too late. Someone beat you to it a long time ago. A looooooooooooooooooooong time ago...Sometimes?I didn't want to make you feel depressed CanRay.....
An interesting idea... o.O' stuffer shake gift cards over their eyes? o.O'Yes, oddly, our group ran its operations out of the back room of a Stuffer Shack for most of the campaign. Because we'd do odd jobs here and there for the neighborhood watch to keep that area slightly less crime-ridden, they gave us everything in the store at 5% over cost!
Scenario: Johnson offers 50K for a run, half up front. You get your face in there and he manages to bump that up to 60K. The Johnson reluctantly agrees and now he finally gives you the details... He wants you to off Lowfyr. Now what? You've already agreed to the deal.Then the runners laugh at the Johnson, shoot him dead, call up S-K and give them all of the details on the Johnson.
And when said Johnson turns out to be a free spirit and shrugs off the bullets and then claims your 'souls' for breach of contract before vanishing... what do you do then? Do you still contact SK and make that deal with a dragon?Scenario: Johnson offers 50K for a run, half up front. You get your face in there and he manages to bump that up to 60K. The Johnson reluctantly agrees and now he finally gives you the details... He wants you to off Lowfyr. Now what? You've already agreed to the deal.Then the runners laugh at the Johnson, shoot him dead, call up S-K and give them all of the details on the Johnson.
So, you're saying you just go in blind and try to negotiate based on what the Johnson offers?
And when said Johnson turns out to be a free spirit and shrugs off the bullets and then claims your 'souls' for breach of contract before vanishing... what do you do then?
The odds ... are less than you being hit by a stray round going to the Stuffer Shack for some malty beverages.That actually isn't that odd. Been happening almost weekly for 20+ in-universe years.
As a Johnson, I would be wary of hiring a group of unknowns if they didn't ask questions.
From a Lazy GM perspective you can work it another way. Give them the basics of the run and let them do some planning and figuring. Sit in on it. Guess what... they just wrote the adventure for you. And it is an adventure they want to do. And they even did the math to figure out what is fair. All you have to do is grumble a bit and sign the check.
I think your notion that a narrowly-focused character would charge less than a generalist is fatally flawed. Narrow focus means highly specialised, means highly skilled, means expensive.Actually, that is exactly wrong. Narrow focus means that you are only skilled in one thing. A generalist has to be paid for all of his skills, not just the specific one you need at this moment. Likewise a generalist needs a vast array of tools that have upkeep. People specialize because it keeps their costs down, not because they are better at some skill than a generalist. Since their costs are lower, they can accept lower rates. Since they can accept lower rates, they get more business and thus make more money by volume. A generalist survives by either taking the micromanaging load off the shoulders of the client, i.e. general contractor or by synergizing his talents to produce something that specialists can't do, i.e. Vintage Car Restorer vs. Brake specialist. A generalist typically needs at least a shop, often a whole facility while specialists can usually get by with a kit.
I think your notion that a narrowly-focused character would charge less than a generalist is fatally flawed. Narrow focus means highly specialised, means highly skilled, means expensive.Actually, that is exactly wrong. Narrow focus means that you are only skilled in one thing. A generalist has to be paid for all of his skills, not just the specific one you need at this moment.
I'm going to have to agree with Wyrm that Generalists are paid "less" because they aren't as highly trained in all areas.But they make it up in volume.
In order to achieve result A, you need someone with skill B. A skill B+1 person could do it, but he also costs more. What I'm saying is that the generalist with skill B and Skill C and Skill D costs more than a specialist with skill B. What you're saying is that the specialist with skill B gets more money than a generalist with skill B-2, C-2, D-2. Yes, you are correct, but you're comparing apples to a fruit basket. Now if you put a specialist at B+4 and a generalist at B, C, D, but the job only calls for B, then the Specialist will probably get it but only if he accepts payment level B.
He'd only ever take the "Skill B" job if there was nothing better open but, if he had to, he'd very much be willing to take "Skill B" pay, because, relative to what he's capable of, the job is a cakewalk.And that is exactly my point. Specialists can do the job for less because they have less costs and the job is easier for them. Nobody goes to a Generalist first. They go to the specialists until the job requires something that the specialist can't do. Then they go hunting. They might pick up a second specialist, but then again they might pick up the generalist so that if something does go wrong, it falls on one set of shoulders. You'll also find that people work with generalists they know so they don't have to waste time tracking down another person that is untested to them. It is a little bit lazy, but if you're a high dollar/hour lawyer, then jerking around on the phone looking for a plumber is a waste of time and money. You drop the dime, call Bob the Repairman and let him deal with it. Yes, he might charge you an extra fifty bucks for a two hundred dollar job, but you didn't blow two hours at 200/hour looking for a cheaper plumber. When you get home, your bathroom is no longer flooded, and because they guy is a generalist, he's already got bids on your counter to replace the carpet and baseboards where things got water damaged.
And that is exactly my point. Specialists can do the job for less because they have less costs and the job is easier for them. Nobody goes to a Generalist first.
In short, yes, a specialist won't get picked do do a job they're not qualified for. But they charge more for the jobs they are qualified, because they are better at them, and they get results.That IS my point. Specialists don't make more money because they are specialists, specialists make more money because it is easier for them to be better having to only master a small set of skills. But you can say that for anyone with skill levels at a point the market can bare. Compare a generalist and a specialist that are equally qualified for a job.
In short, yes, a specialist won't get picked do do a job they're not qualified for. But they charge more for the jobs they are qualified, because they are better at them, and they get results.That IS my point. Specialists don't make more money because they are specialists, specialists make more money because it is easier for them to be better having to only master a small set of skills. But you can say that for anyone with skill levels at a point the market can bare. Compare a generalist and a specialist that are equally qualified for a job.
In short, yes, a specialist won't get picked do do a job they're not qualified for. But they charge more for the jobs they are qualified, because they are better at them, and they get results.That IS my point. Specialists don't make more money because they are specialists, specialists make more money because it is easier for them to be better having to only master a small set of skills. But you can say that for anyone with skill levels at a point the market can bare. Compare a generalist and a specialist that are equally qualified for a job.
Alright, right there. We disagree. Because we are operating on different definitions of specialists.
You don't seem to get it.... if they are equaly qualified to do the job then they are BOTH SPECIALISTS.
While that real life example is correct, the general electrician you mentioned as the antagonist is not a real generalist, because you know everything he knows plus your specialty. This discussion was about the generalist knowing other important out field skills that would be important for the job, that the specialist, who only knows his field, knows not.
Lets go on with that example:
I am the Johnson and looking for an IM, who has to do THAT, but in an enemy facility... unnoticed.
Lets assume you know nothing about infiltration, disguising, fast talking yourself out of stuff, research on secret layouts, hacking, and so on.
You are a specialist, who needs help from others to complete your skillset and to even have a chance to succeed. But at the same time, the more people are involved and need to get into the facility, the more likely it might fail.
Now there is a generalist, who might not be as good as you in that specific field and will probably take a bit longer to succeed for that task, but instead knows all the other stuff, and is able to research on and infiltrate the facility on his own. Wouldn't you pay him almost as much as the whole other team?
If the generalist is unable, because of the lack of knowledge, then he wouldn't even qualify for the job.
So the general assumption here was, as i read it, that the generalist is able to succeed at some point with the task.
But at that point the terms specialist and generalist might not be accurate anymore, as the generalist might be called a specialist with his skillset for exactly that kind of job.
SOMEONE with a flat 200bp in skills is a professional in their field (looking at the entire breath of skills)That's just what i said, you simply have another definition of specialist. A definition that is not fitting to the problem.
AN INDIVIDUAL with 300+bp in skills is an elitist of a profession (and most likely a specialist)
When you give someone a title (like hit man, or assassin, soldier, thug, goon, dentist) you are emplying a level of professionalism which is reflected in SR by a multitude of things (ie: professional rating all NPCs have, total BP in skills). There is a large difference between a man who makes his lively hood taking lives and a man who can take a life.Not sure where you just pulled those titles out, but titles are not part of the problem. Its generalist vs. specialist, please focus.