Shadowrun
Shadowrun Play => Character creation and critique => Topic started by: BRKNdevil on <04-07-12/1828:18>
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Friend thought of an idea that seemed interesting and i'm trying to flesh them out as a side thing.
So I was hoping for more opinions on the idea.
So First off, adept, utterly mundane, or cybered?
How far above would he be above normal People?
what would his qualities be?
would he be part of a triple A?
Stuff like that you know
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I'd probably build the Bat as a heavily cybered infiltration specialist, probably with some expensive bioware. Skip out on IP boosters; you're striking from darkness and dont need it. Instead, take Reaction and Agility boosts, and any 'ware that helps soak damage. Maybe an Attention Coprocessor.
I'd also recommed 1500 karma karmagen, or 600bp
Qualities get tricky. Bruce Wayne could really have a ton of positive and negative qualities. Definitely some Phobias (friendships), Compulsions (to fight crime, never kill, never use firearms, really Bruce's head is all screwed up). Flashbacks are also a definite, as possibly Big Regret, SINner, Wanted, Distinctive Style, Records on File, and possibly Vindictive.
On the other hand, I could see Genetic Optimization, Erased, Guts, toxin resistance, a lot of martial arts abilities, First Impression, and possibbly some things to simulate his wealth of contacts.
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I don't think Bruce Wayne/Batman would ever go under the knife since technology would be a crutch and not 100% reliable. Go and read the Venom storyline from Tales of the Dark Knight, where Batman was using steroids (the ones that Bane uses) to make himself better and how he came to see that they give him an edge, but the price is not worth that edge.
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I would like to see him as a mundane who sunk his points into skills, attributes and gear.... lots of gear.
Maybe magic resistence or something to enhance his willpower as well , with the qualities. In fact, you may need to ignore the limits on qualities, because he has positive and negative qualities pages long....
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Definitely a hacker too.
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Is it possible to build a good hacker without a datajack? Just wondering... like the idea of a hacker who refuses to go under the knife.
Oh... and sweet contacts. Batman needs an Oracle.
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mundane human with lucky max edge max most stats i think all the best toys and side kicks. Probaly runns a triple a corp with a side kick factory. He may use techology but if he was going to be cyber he whould in the comics it exist in DC and he can afford it. He might even be a physical adept.
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batman would be that one human that many dragons and IE fear to mess with.
and an NPC i wouldn't bother to stat out. sure he bleeds, but you can't beat him.
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batman would be that one human that many dragons and IE fear to mess with.
and an NPC i wouldn't bother to stat out. sure he bleeds, but you can't beat him.
He does have that i know how to beat every one thing going. Heck i bed he whould know more than some the great dragons.
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as the USMC says: Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
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One of the guys in my game is playing Batman as a heavily Bio'ed Ork. It works.
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Wow thats a better response than i expected,
this sort of reminds me of when i tried to stat out dunaan from appleseed, using karmagen, on chummer, and she ended up being around 2500 to 3000 points. so lets give it a different approach, what about terry mcginnis or someone who just thinks he's batman, from the short series where an actor thought he was batman and most of the props actually worked? cause i wanna set them up against him and this just seems like i can't use it cuz it is impossible to win, which sort of makes sense since he has a plan for everyone in the league
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I don't think Bruce Wayne/Batman would ever go under the knife since technology would be a crutch and not 100% reliable. Go and read the Venom storyline from Tales of the Dark Knight, where Batman was using steroids (the ones that Bane uses) to make himself better and how he came to see that they give him an edge, but the price is not worth that edge.
There have been soooooo many Story Lines with sooooo many Aspects of Batman ( In D&D Terms he even has his own Range of Alignment ( http://media.photobucket.com/image/Batman%20Alignment/Gugenheimer/batman-alignment.jpg )
If You want to stat him out make him a Cybered Adept and start with 800 Karma Build than add as much Karma as You need (and Don't account for his Millionaire Status )
with a Batdance
Medicineman
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(and Don't account for his Millionaire Status )
That's Billionaire status. Millionaires are so last year. ;)
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Gnaaarrk
At First I wanted to write Multi- Billionaire Status....
No I feel like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4n0SvG0-Y
Hough !
Medicineman
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unfortunately i can't seem to post what I have so far cuz i can't figure out how to make chummer give me a text file
so as soon as someone tells me how to do that i can post what i've done so far
but as of know using 2000 points, bp char. gen. I can see that he is stupid powerful since he ranks 4,5, or 6 in almost everything and i haven't even started on his knowledge skills.
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One of the guys in my game is playing Batman as a heavily Bio'ed Ork. It works.
I thaght he was a non augmented human with lots of training and tech toys.
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Batman would never be in Shadowrun. When his parents got killed, Wayne Corp would have gotten gobbled up by the megas in very short order. Bruce probably would have been whisked away to a special orphanage to be raised and promptly die from a tragic childhood disease, releasing any claim he had on his inheritance.
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The trouble with Batman is that he comes from a universe with very different rules, one where completely unaugmented, unawakened people can become skilled to the point that they can do things that multi-initiate adepts and cyberzombies can't do. In Shadowrun, mundane characters are simply third-rate in everything. So to make Batman in Shadowrun, he needs to be an augmented adept with lots of high-availability gear to emulate the character from the comics.
The other problem with Batman is that he is a paragon, someone who is at the pinnacle of human achievement physically and mentally, with mastery of many skills. He is a generalist with the skill level of a hyper-specialist. In game terms, in a game where seasoned professional criminals (shadowrunners) have to make sacrifices to even be soft-maxed in their most important Attributes, and can only start out with one skill of 6, Batman would work out to an incredibly high number of build points or karma points if you costed him out.
I think you are better off, instead of trying to recreate the Batman (okay, so you have a ludicrously powerful person who overshadows all of the PCs and doesn't quite fit in this universe - now what?), you should create a Batman-inspired PC or NPC based on an aspect or two of Batman that appeals to you. A cunning detective. A masked, augmented vigilante. A sneaky guy with lots of gadgets. And go from there.
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Yea Bat man whould have a ton of karma he has been fighting crime for what 50 years early comics it was more detective work and fighting skill, with acrobatics over time he mastered every thing.
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One of the guys in my game is playing Batman as a heavily Bio'ed Ork. It works.
I thaght he was a non augmented human with lots of training and tech toys.
Only in a World without Magic (Orks or Adepts) or Cyberware
The Batman of SR would surely use every Edge he can get (Delta Grade 'ware) to be able to fight Crime
Even if only to be able to counter Cybered-up Criminals
(Or just read Glyphs post which says it all . Applause :D )
With different Dances in different Worlds
Medicineman
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Right, yup. What Medicineman and Glyph said - my guy goes mainly for the masked, augmented vigilante btw, although he's pretty sneaky too.
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See, I vehemently disagree. Batman would NOT augment himself. Think about the amount of augmentations that ARE available in the DC universe (Prosthetics/Cyberware like Cyborg and Metallo). He doesn't use them there, I don't think he'd slice up his body to use them here.
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I think he would, augmentation is too common in Shadowrun to just ignore it. If you could guarantee a one on one fight from ambush it might not be such a big deal, but one unaugmented norm vs. 2 or more augmented or god help him magically active targets is toast.
I would have to say he'd be an adept at minimum.
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unfortunately i can't seem to post what I have so far cuz i can't figure out how to make chummer give me a text file
so as soon as someone tells me how to do that i can post what i've done so far
I just found this while making my first character :)
Hit print, and it'll open the Character Viewer. At the top, on the right, there's a drop menu labelled "Character Sheet." Click there, and choose "Text-Only."
That said, if you've the patience for data entry (I probably wouldn't, with that many points in the build), there's a handy character sheet code (http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=948.0) over in the Play-by-Post forum.
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Hrm. I think I'll have to build up Brucie tonight. Figure 600 BP and 200 Karma?
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Hrm. I think I'll have to build up Brucie tonight. Figure 600 BP and 200 Karma?
at least
and If you don't give him 'ware give him at least a Milspec Suit
SR Goons(unlinke DC Goons) have 'ware and/or use Boosterdrugs so they're are tougher than the DC Counterparts
with a tougher Dance
Medicineman
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Hrm. I think I'll have to build up Brucie tonight. Figure 600 BP and 200 Karma?
You'll need at least 2000 BP just for his permanent Luxury Lifestyle.
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I've gotta disagree on the mundanes notes. You can make a very capable mundane if you know what you're doing, especially if you have some decent karma under your belt and are willing to use performance boosters. With the funding batman would have, it shouldn't be hard at all.
That said, I think he'd use every tech advantage at his disposal and definitely go the augmented route, but mundanes are still viable in SR, just few and far between because magicing it up and get some cyber is much easier. In the end, the difference ends up being about a hit, unless you're comparing a mundane to the max efficiency munchkinized 40 DP elf sniper or 60 DP troll resistance.
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Crash, by performance boosters, you mean drugs right? Or something else? Cos I don't think any argument about wanting to avoid cyber/bio for purity reasons particularly allows drugs...
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See, I vehemently disagree. Batman would NOT augment himself. Think about the amount of augmentations that ARE available in the DC universe (Prosthetics/Cyberware like Cyborg and Metallo). He doesn't use them there, I don't think he'd slice up his body to use them here.
Good luck having a secret identity as Bruce Wayne, Billionaire Playboy while looking like Metallo/Cyborg. I'm certain that Batman wouldn't turn down discreet cyber/bio augs if THOSE existed, doubly so if his enemies uses them.
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Look at the corporate bigwigs in the books, many are augmented even with IP boosters. Damian Knight, Miles Lainier, Johnny Spinrad (who got some for medical reasons granted), hell, even Samantha Villiers has 2 IP.
I don't see it too big a stretch for "The goddamn Batman" to have ware.
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I don't see it too big a stretch for "The goddamn Batman" to have ware.
Especially not some top-secret Deltaware toys from the heart of WayneTech's R&D labs. Remember, given how things are written in DC, converting to Shadowrun would mean Wayne Industries would probably be one of the AAA MegaCorps.
Makes you wonder why he wouldn't just use his finances to buy the loyalty of a bunch of Runners to go do bad things to bad people, though.
Oooooh, there's a campaign idea right there! Good pay, but a lot of moral hand-tying.
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I don't see it too big a stretch for "The goddamn Batman" to have ware.
Especially not some top-secret Deltaware toys from the heart of WayneTech's R&D labs. Remember, given how things are written in DC, converting to Shadowrun would mean Wayne Industries would probably be one of the AAA MegaCorps.
Makes you wonder why he wouldn't just use his finances to buy the loyalty of a bunch of Runners to go do bad things to bad people, though.
Oooooh, there's a campaign idea right there! Good pay, but a lot of moral hand-tying.
So Batman Inc.?
here is what i've done so far, with 2000 bp and haven't continued since i've been gifted terraria and struggling with addiction
== Info ==
Street Name: Batman
Name: Bruce Wayne
Movement: 10/25, Swim: 5
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0
Human
Composure: 12
Judge Intentions: 12
Lift/Carry: 12 (90 kg/60 kg)
Memory: 12
Nuyen: 0
== Attributes ==
BOD: 6
AGI: 6
REA: 6
STR: 6
CHA: 6
INT: 6
LOG: 6
WIL: 6
EDG: 6
== Derived Attributes ==
Essence: 6
Initiative: 12
IP: 1
Matrix Initiative: 6
Matrix IP: 1
Physical Damage Track: 11
Stun Damage Track: 11
== Active Skills ==
Aeronautics Mechanic : 2 Pool: 8
Animal Handling : 0 Pool: 5
Animal Training : 0 Pool: 5
Archery : 6 Pool: 12
Armorer : 4 Pool: 10
Artisan : 0 Pool: 5
Automatics : 2 Pool: 8
Automotive Mechanic : 2 Pool: 8
Blades : 6 Pool: 12
Chemistry : 4 Pool: 10
Climbing : 6 Pool: 12
Clubs : 6 Pool: 12
Computer : 4 Pool: 10
Con : 6 Pool: 12
Cybercombat : 4 Pool: 10
Cybertechnology : 4 Pool: 10
Data Search : 4 Pool: 10
Demolitions : 4 Pool: 10
Disguise : 6 Pool: 12
Diving : 6 Pool: 12
Dodge : 6 Pool: 12
Electronic Warfare : 4 Pool: 10
Escape Artist : 6 Pool: 12
Etiquette : 6 Pool: 12
First Aid : 4 Pool: 10
Flight : 6 Pool: 12
Forgery : 0 Pool: 5
Gunnery : 4 Pool: 10
Gymnastics : 6 Pool: 12
Hacking : 4 Pool: 10
Hardware : 4 Pool: 10
Heavy Weapons : 2 Pool: 8
Industrial Mechanic : 2 Pool: 8
Infiltration : 6 Pool: 12
Instruction : 0 Pool: 5
Intimidation : 6 Pool: 12
Leadership : 6 Pool: 12
Leadership, Command : 6 Pool: 12
Leadership, Direct Fire : 6 Pool: 12
Locksmith : 0 Pool: 5
Longarms : 2 Pool: 8
Medicine : 4 Pool: 10
Nautical Mechanic : 2 Pool: 8
Navigation : 4 Pool: 10
Negotiation : 6 Pool: 12
Palming : 6 Pool: 12
Parachuting : 4 Pool: 10
Perception : 6 Pool: 12
Pilot Aerospace : 4 Pool: 10
Pilot Aircraft : 4 Pool: 10
Pilot Anthroform : 4 Pool: 10
Pilot Ground Craft : 4 Pool: 10
Pilot Watercraft : 4 Pool: 10
Pistols : 2 Pool: 8
Riding : 4 Pool: 10
Running : 6 Pool: 12
Shadowing : 6 Pool: 12
Software : 4 Pool: 10
Survival : 4 Pool: 10
Swimming : 6 Pool: 12
Throwing Weapons : 6 Pool: 12
Tracking : 4 Pool: 10
Unarmed Combat : 6 Pool: 12
== Knowledge Skills ==
== Weapons ==
Unarmed Attack
DV: 7S AP: - RC: 0
== Martial Arts ==
Escrima
++1 DV on Blades attacks
++1 DV on Club attacks
+inflict dmage when making Called Shot to disarm
Karate
++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
Ninjutsu
++1 die on Surprise Tests when initiating an attack
++1 die on Surprise Tests when initiating an attack
++reduce Visibility modifiers in melee combat by 1
++reduce Visibility modifiers in melee combat by 1
Blind Fighting
Break Weapon
Clinch
Disarm
Disorient
Evasion
Finishing Move
Focus Will
Full Offense
Ground Fighting
Herding
Iaijutsu
Kick Attack
Multi-Strike
Riposte
Set-Up
Sweep
Throw
Two Weapon Style
Vicious Blow
Watchful Guard
== Karma Expenses ==
== Nuyen Expenses ==
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Two things, 1) You can only go up to +3 DV to unarmed with +2 in one style and +1 in another. (I'd go Boxing and Karate)
2) Why completely mundane? If you are not going the cyber/bio route why not make him an adept?
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Two things, 1) You can only go up to +3 DV to unarmed with +2 in one style and +1 in another. (I'd go Boxing and Karate)
2) Why completely mundane? If you are not going the cyber/bio route why not make him an adept?
Okay, does the +1 DV when subduing (from Wrestling, IIRC) count towards that +3 limit, or is that separate since it's much more situational?
Also, would those armored Bat Gloves count as Hardliners?
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You can have as many bonus sources as you want, but only +3DV will ever come into play for any given attack, so the rest will just be redundant abilities of redundant redundancy, or something similar.
Crash, by performance boosters, you mean drugs right? Or something else? Cos I don't think any argument about wanting to avoid cyber/bio for purity reasons particularly allows drugs...
Yes, it means drugs.
Well I already stated that he (meaning Wayne/Batman) would probably go for light augmentation, and I never said anything about purity reasons, although there is a distinct difference.
Some people don't trust ware, some people don't like ware, some people have sensitive systems, some people are completely bio-rejective; there are many many reasons to take drugs and no go with ware. The world isn't binary, it doesn't have to be I'm a Buddhist Monk with a Vow of Poverty vs. Joe Slade and the Soulless Cyberposse. Being able to reason that you don't want to give up your soul but you need an edge, isn't a long stretch by any means. After all, media everwhere says that augmentation can be just as addictive as drugs and just as damaging to your mental/physical health (cyberpsychosis, what happens when your aug starts to glitch), and it's much easier to stop taking drugs and recover than to stop being augmented.
With all that said, which is more easier to explain for playboy millionaire Bruce Wayne:
"I'm addicted to some drugs I used at a party."
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"I'm addicted to million dollar combat implantations."
Drug use, while easier to detect than bioware, is still easier to explain off. It also has the added benefit of the fact that no one will ever suspect that batman (in 2072 SR setting of course) is unaugmented. It'd practically be a free pass to any investigation into him.
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Drug use, while easier to detect than bioware, is still easier to explain off. It also has the added benefit of the fact that no one will ever suspect that batman (in 2072 SR setting of course) is unaugmented. It'd practically be a free pass to any investigation into him.
Of course, Batman could also be using some ultra-modern not-in-the-book-because-there's-no-way-in-hell-the-runners-would-ever-get-near-it combat armor as well. Something specially designed and buried in the Black Ops R&D budget of Wayne Industries.
Remember the suit Terry was wearing in Batman Beyond (which is the closest Batman setting to the 2070s we've got) and the even-more-high-tech Exosuit that Bruce pulled out to fight Inque?
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Heck, even in The Dark Knight he's got some sort of hydraulics/exoskeleton built onto his suit, right there in the first scene in the parking garage (when he bends that gun barrel).
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Crash, by performance boosters, you mean drugs right? Or something else? Cos I don't think any argument about wanting to avoid cyber/bio for purity reasons particularly allows drugs...
Yes, it means drugs.
Well I already stated that he (meaning Wayne/Batman) would probably go for light augmentation, and I never said anything about purity reasons, although there is a distinct difference.
Some people don't trust ware, some people don't like ware, some people have sensitive systems, some people are completely bio-rejective; there are many many reasons to take drugs and no go with ware. The world isn't binary, it doesn't have to be I'm a Buddhist Monk with a Vow of Poverty vs. Joe Slade and the Soulless Cyberposse. Being able to reason that you don't want to give up your soul but you need an edge, isn't a long stretch by any means. After all, media everwhere says that augmentation can be just as addictive as drugs and just as damaging to your mental/physical health (cyberpsychosis, what happens when your aug starts to glitch), and it's much easier to stop taking drugs and recover than to stop being augmented.
With all that said, which is more easier to explain for playboy millionaire Bruce Wayne:
"I'm addicted to some drugs I used at a party."
or
"I'm addicted to million dollar combat implantations."
Drug use, while easier to detect than bioware, is still easier to explain off. It also has the added benefit of the fact that no one will ever suspect that batman (in 2072 SR setting of course) is unaugmented. It'd practically be a free pass to any investigation into him.
Fully aware you were in favour of light augmentation, just couldn't see how it fitted in with those who argued against even that. Good reasoning though, I can see it to an extent. Two things I would say however are:
a) I'd personally say that the Muscle Toner he got to be quarterback in his college football team is a lot easier to explain away than heavy use of Kamikaze and other such combat drugs
b) As noted, plenty of corporate execs in SR are loading Synaptic Boosters. I mean, people want to kill them, that's a pretty good reason to get them. I'm not sure he'd have a great deal to explain if he had two dots worth of discrete bioware boosters.
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I wasn't saying it would be hard to explain having them. He could find a reason, he's never been a dumb guy.
The point was that, without him, he wouldn't even be a suspect.
Some guy beating up thugs and dressed like a bat disappeared around Wayne manor last night. The guys were ex-spec ops and cybered out.
Mr. Wayne has some "combat" augs for protection/from college. We'll look into this.
Vs.
Sorry to bother you Mr. Wayne. This scan shows you're perfectly normal, we couldn't possibly suspect a normal guy to have done that.
Now, you could say his lawyers would bury the police in paper work, but Wayne seems to me like the type to take care of the issue head on. Nothing says deniability like offering to go along for the scan that proves nothing.
As for drugs, I'm sure Wayne Enterprises could have cooked up some drugs that make K-10 look tame and don't turn you into a berserk Bane as a side effect.
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As for drugs, I'm sure Wayne Enterprises could have cooked up some drugs that make K-10 look tame and don't turn you into a berserk Bane as a side effect.
Then why couldn't anyone else have done so?
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I don't really see who Batman couldn't be an adept... heck, for all we know he IS an adept and we just don't really know it. He himself might not even be aware of it! It is after all a world where that kind of thing is extremely rare (to the point of being virtually non-existent).
But I've been thinking about this for some chars of mine:
Isn't it possible to be an adept without being aware of it?
Of course, some of the flashy powers are kind of obvious and hard to ignore. (Eg. Elemental Strike: "What do you you mean it's not normal, my fists turning into fireballs when I get angry?")
But a lot of the "passive" stuff like Improved Ability ("I never really understood why people thought this was difficult."), Improved Attribute ("Yeah, I've always been the athletic type I guess."), Improved Sense ("How the hell can you NOT hear that?! Those damned dog whistles are annoying as hell!") or the more specific things like Great Leap ("Yeah, this takes years of practice. Don't try this at home, kids!"), Improved Reflexes ("No, you're just slow, chump. I trained since I was 10 to get this good!") or Kinesics (Watch "Lie To Me").
For all we know, Batman hit the one in 100 billion chance to be born the sole heir of a billionaire, with a whole load of Positive Qualities and Awakened in a world where almost no one (including himself) knows what it is (and therefore, has no chance to 'measure' such things). Add the Initiation(s) he went through in the monastry (they did have all kind of weird rituals) to give him a boatload of extra PP's and metamagic stuff and it's quite possible he's doing magic without anyone knowing it. "He's just THAT good!"
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Speaking of Metamagics... what kind of Metamagics would an Adept have any use for, anyway? This thread has me tinkering with my own "Batman" build, just for kicks.
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Centering is probably most useful to get rid of pesky dice pool penalties. Even if the situation doesn't give penalties itself (such as range, reach or bad visual conditions), do a Called Shot for extra damage or effect and negate the drawback.
Masking is great to appear harmless, no one will guess that 'mundane', unaugmented human can punch through walls.
Flexible signature's just a good way to be more difficult to be tracked/recognized by mages.
Street Magic adds Attunement to the list (extra dice for all actions with one attuned item), which can be pretty good. Cognition and its Physical counterpart suck badly, the drain is ridiculously high. There's also an Animal think, which I never read because of never using animals myself...
The Advanced Metamagics offer little. Extended Metamagic is good to hide your weapon Focus. There's an Enhancement for the animal thing as well, don't ask me what it does. Infusion
isn't worth the cost imo, if you can instead get an extra PP, do that instead.
Best of all: Ask your GM to allow the Optional rule which allows Adepts to gain an extra PP instead of a Metamagic.
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Centering is probably most useful to get rid of pesky dice pool penalties. Even if the situation doesn't give penalties itself (such as range, reach or bad visual conditions), do a Called Shot for extra damage or effect and negate the drawback.
Doesn't actually work very well - Calling a shot is a free action, so is Adept Centering, so you can't do both - or rather, you can, but it eats a Simple Action, and that's very often not worth it.
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Then why couldn't anyone else have done so?
Who's to say they haven't? K-10 plans "leaked" out, but who knows what K-11 is or what the competitive companies have produced in there R&D labs.
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Centering is probably most useful to get rid of pesky dice pool penalties. Even if the situation doesn't give penalties itself (such as range, reach or bad visual conditions), do a Called Shot for extra damage or effect and negate the drawback.
Doesn't actually work very well - Calling a shot is a free action, so is Adept Centering, so you can't do both - or rather, you can, but it eats a Simple Action, and that's very often not worth it.
Hm, forgot that. Kinda sucks... Still, you'll get some kind of penalty more often than not, so I'd still consider Centering worth taking, provided the gm doesn't make it too hard to center. Mages get much better deals with metamagic than adepts... Which is why I'm heavily in favor of the PP metamagic optional rule.
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There are plenty of ways an adept could theoretically "not even know it", but they don't make sense for Batman, who after all didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I could see it if you were porting Shadowrun rules into the Batman universe, but I don't see it if you have Batman in the Shadowrun universe, where the existence of magic is well known.
Adept is the only way you can really go if you give Batman the same attitude about keeping himself "pure", since magic is not really something you can choose to have outside of the metagame of character creation. Hell, if you run with some of Frank Miller's imagery, you could easily give him a bat-aspected mentor spirit of something like Dragonslayer or Wise Warrior.
The trouble with an unaugmented mundane is that Shadowrun has hard limits that such builds smack into. In the comic books, if Batman ran into five or six cybernetic thugs, he would kick the crap out of them, because he's just that damn good. In Shadowrun, his Agility caps out at 7, as does his skill, so assuming a specialization, he is rolling 16 dice for his asskicking. Good, but there are starting augmented or magical builds that could absolutely own him in combat. Yeah, you could give him a suit that is the equivalent of military armor with far less bulk but all of the special accessories, and lots of nasty chemicals in his trusty utility belt, but ol' Bruce never seemed to rely on that stuff - it supplemented his superhuman natural skill.
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Sorry, I might've been unclear or have misunderstood myself.
It just seemed to be like a lot of people said Batman is a mundane 'cause he "obviously" isn't magical (and I guess they use the only reference there is, the comics written about him now).
I just wanted to say that he can be magical without losing "what makes him batman". And saying that for all we know, the batman we know (from the comics we know) is magical, the entire world, including himself, is just completely unaware of it.
For completeness, I have to point out that just yesterday I finished playing Arkham City. Seeing some of the things he pulls off in that game, combined with all the time I spent reading SR books, really makes me believe that Batman might be an adept.
In the SR world, he would be aware of the fact that he's an adept. But he'd also be smart enough to keep that fact hidden. (And trained/initiated enough to be able to do so with Masking, combined with Flexible Signature to hide his real identity.) Sure would explain why he can so frequently beat augmented, genetweaked or otherwise 'superhuman' enemies.
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I'd say adept with masking and flexible signature would suit his nature.
I do not see him being augmented though. Given the differences between the Batman universe and the shadowrun universe he couldn't be unaugmented & mundane and kick ass. This whole "overcome your fear" thing points in the adept direction though.