[Zephraim]

See, I vehemently disagree. Batman would NOT augment himself. Think about the amount of augmentations that ARE available in the DC universe (Prosthetics/Cyberware like Cyborg and Metallo). He doesn't use them there, I don't think he'd slice up his body to use them here.

Good luck having a secret identity as Bruce Wayne, Billionaire Playboy while looking like Metallo/Cyborg. I'm certain that Batman wouldn't turn down discreet cyber/bio augs if THOSE existed, doubly so if  his enemies uses them.

[Angelone]

Look at the corporate bigwigs in the books, many are augmented even with IP boosters. Damian Knight, Miles Lainier, Johnny Spinrad (who got some for medical reasons granted), hell, even Samantha Villiers has 2 IP.

I don't see it too big a stretch for "The goddamn Batman" to have ware.

[JustADude]

I don't see it too big a stretch for "The goddamn Batman" to have ware.

Especially not some top-secret Deltaware toys from the heart of WayneTech's R&D labs. Remember, given how things are written in DC, converting to Shadowrun would mean Wayne Industries would probably be one of the AAA MegaCorps.

Makes you wonder why he wouldn't just use his finances to buy the loyalty of a bunch of Runners to go do bad things to bad people, though.

Oooooh, there's a campaign idea right there! Good pay, but a lot of moral hand-tying.

[BRKNdevil]

I don't see it too big a stretch for "The goddamn Batman" to have ware.

Especially not some top-secret Deltaware toys from the heart of WayneTech's R&D labs. Remember, given how things are written in DC, converting to Shadowrun would mean Wayne Industries would probably be one of the AAA MegaCorps.

Makes you wonder why he wouldn't just use his finances to buy the loyalty of a bunch of Runners to go do bad things to bad people, though.

Oooooh, there's a campaign idea right there! Good pay, but a lot of moral hand-tying.

So Batman Inc.?

here is what i've done so far, with 2000 bp and haven't continued since i've been gifted terraria and struggling with addiction

== Info ==
Street Name: Batman
Name: Bruce Wayne
Movement: 10/25, Swim: 5
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0
Human
Composure: 12
Judge Intentions: 12
Lift/Carry: 12 (90 kg/60 kg)
Memory: 12
Nuyen: 0

== Attributes ==
BOD: 6
AGI: 6
REA: 6
STR: 6
CHA: 6
INT: 6
LOG: 6
WIL: 6
EDG: 6

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence:                   6
Initiative:                12
IP:                        1
Matrix Initiative:         6
Matrix IP:                 1
Physical Damage Track:     11
Stun Damage Track:         11

== Active Skills ==
Aeronautics Mechanic       : 2                      Pool: 8
Animal Handling            : 0                      Pool: 5
Animal Training            : 0                      Pool: 5
Archery                    : 6                      Pool: 12
Armorer                    : 4                      Pool: 10
Artisan                    : 0                      Pool: 5
Automatics                 : 2                      Pool: 8
Automotive Mechanic        : 2                      Pool: 8
Blades                     : 6                      Pool: 12
Chemistry                  : 4                      Pool: 10
Climbing                   : 6                      Pool: 12
Clubs                      : 6                      Pool: 12
Computer                   : 4                      Pool: 10
Con                        : 6                      Pool: 12
Cybercombat                : 4                      Pool: 10
Cybertechnology            : 4                      Pool: 10
Data Search                : 4                      Pool: 10
Demolitions                : 4                      Pool: 10
Disguise                   : 6                      Pool: 12
Diving                     : 6                      Pool: 12
Dodge                      : 6                      Pool: 12
Electronic Warfare         : 4                      Pool: 10
Escape Artist              : 6                      Pool: 12
Etiquette                  : 6                      Pool: 12
First Aid                  : 4                      Pool: 10
Flight                     : 6                      Pool: 12
Forgery                    : 0                      Pool: 5
Gunnery                    : 4                      Pool: 10
Gymnastics                 : 6                      Pool: 12
Hacking                    : 4                      Pool: 10
Hardware                   : 4                      Pool: 10
Heavy Weapons              : 2                      Pool: 8
Industrial Mechanic        : 2                      Pool: 8
Infiltration               : 6                      Pool: 12
Instruction                : 0                      Pool: 5
Intimidation               : 6                      Pool: 12
Leadership                 : 6                      Pool: 12
Leadership, Command        : 6                      Pool: 12
Leadership, Direct Fire    : 6                      Pool: 12
Locksmith                  : 0                      Pool: 5
Longarms                   : 2                      Pool: 8
Medicine                   : 4                      Pool: 10
Nautical Mechanic          : 2                      Pool: 8
Navigation                 : 4                      Pool: 10
Negotiation                : 6                      Pool: 12
Palming                    : 6                      Pool: 12
Parachuting                : 4                      Pool: 10
Perception                 : 6                      Pool: 12
Pilot Aerospace            : 4                      Pool: 10
Pilot Aircraft             : 4                      Pool: 10
Pilot Anthroform           : 4                      Pool: 10
Pilot Ground Craft         : 4                      Pool: 10
Pilot Watercraft           : 4                      Pool: 10
Pistols                    : 2                      Pool: 8
Riding                     : 4                      Pool: 10
Running                    : 6                      Pool: 12
Shadowing                  : 6                      Pool: 12
Software                   : 4                      Pool: 10
Survival                   : 4                      Pool: 10
Swimming                   : 6                      Pool: 12
Throwing Weapons           : 6                      Pool: 12
Tracking                   : 4                      Pool: 10
Unarmed Combat             : 6                      Pool: 12

== Knowledge Skills ==

== Weapons ==
Unarmed Attack
   DV: 7S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Martial Arts ==
Escrima
   ++1 DV on Blades attacks
   ++1 DV on Club attacks
   +inflict dmage when making Called Shot to disarm
Karate
   ++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
   ++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
   ++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
   ++1 DV on Unarmed Combat attacks
Ninjutsu
   ++1 die on Surprise Tests when initiating an attack
   ++1 die on Surprise Tests when initiating an attack
   ++reduce Visibility modifiers in melee combat by 1
   ++reduce Visibility modifiers in melee combat by 1
Blind Fighting
Break Weapon
Clinch
Disarm
Disorient
Evasion
Finishing Move
Focus Will
Full Offense
Ground Fighting
Herding
Iaijutsu
Kick Attack
Multi-Strike
Riposte
Set-Up
Sweep
Throw
Two Weapon Style
Vicious Blow
Watchful Guard

== Karma Expenses ==

== Nuyen Expenses ==

[Angelone]

Two things, 1) You can only go up to +3 DV to unarmed with +2 in one style and +1 in another. (I'd go Boxing and Karate)
2) Why completely mundane? If you are not going the cyber/bio route why not make him an adept?

[JustADude]

Two things, 1) You can only go up to +3 DV to unarmed with +2 in one style and +1 in another. (I'd go Boxing and Karate)
2) Why completely mundane? If you are not going the cyber/bio route why not make him an adept?

Okay, does the +1 DV when subduing (from Wrestling, IIRC) count towards that +3 limit, or is that separate since it's much more situational?

Also, would those armored Bat Gloves count as Hardliners?

[Crash_00]

You can have as many bonus sources as you want, but only +3DV will ever come into play for any given attack, so the rest will just be redundant abilities of redundant redundancy, or something similar.

Crash, by performance boosters, you mean drugs right? Or something else? Cos I don't think any argument about wanting to avoid cyber/bio for purity reasons particularly allows drugs...

Yes, it means drugs.

Well I already stated that he (meaning Wayne/Batman) would probably go for light augmentation, and I never said anything about purity reasons, although there is a distinct difference.

Some people don't trust ware, some people don't like ware, some people have sensitive systems, some people are completely bio-rejective; there are many many reasons to take drugs and no go with ware. The world isn't binary, it doesn't have to be I'm a Buddhist Monk with a Vow of Poverty vs. Joe Slade and the Soulless Cyberposse. Being able to reason that you don't want to give up your soul but you need an edge, isn't a long stretch by any means. After all, media everwhere says that augmentation can be just as addictive as drugs and just as damaging to your mental/physical health (cyberpsychosis, what happens when your aug starts to glitch), and it's much easier to stop taking drugs and recover than to stop being augmented.

With all that said, which is more easier to explain for playboy millionaire Bruce Wayne:
"I'm addicted to some drugs I used at a party."
or
"I'm addicted to million dollar combat implantations."

Drug use, while easier to detect than bioware, is still easier to explain off. It also has the added benefit of the fact that no one will ever suspect that batman (in 2072 SR setting of course) is unaugmented. It'd practically be a free pass to any investigation into him.

[JustADude]

Drug use, while easier to detect than bioware, is still easier to explain off. It also has the added benefit of the fact that no one will ever suspect that batman (in 2072 SR setting of course) is unaugmented. It'd practically be a free pass to any investigation into him.

Of course, Batman could also be using some ultra-modern not-in-the-book-because-there's-no-way-in-hell-the-runners-would-ever-get-near-it combat armor as well. Something specially designed and buried in the Black Ops R&D budget of Wayne Industries.

Remember the suit Terry was wearing in Batman Beyond (which is the closest Batman setting to the 2070s we've got) and the even-more-high-tech Exosuit that Bruce pulled out to fight Inque?

[Critias]

Heck, even in The Dark Knight he's got some sort of hydraulics/exoskeleton built onto his suit, right there in the first scene in the parking garage (when he bends that gun barrel).

[The Big Peat]

Crash, by performance boosters, you mean drugs right? Or something else? Cos I don't think any argument about wanting to avoid cyber/bio for purity reasons particularly allows drugs...

Yes, it means drugs.

Well I already stated that he (meaning Wayne/Batman) would probably go for light augmentation, and I never said anything about purity reasons, although there is a distinct difference.

Some people don't trust ware, some people don't like ware, some people have sensitive systems, some people are completely bio-rejective; there are many many reasons to take drugs and no go with ware. The world isn't binary, it doesn't have to be I'm a Buddhist Monk with a Vow of Poverty vs. Joe Slade and the Soulless Cyberposse. Being able to reason that you don't want to give up your soul but you need an edge, isn't a long stretch by any means. After all, media everwhere says that augmentation can be just as addictive as drugs and just as damaging to your mental/physical health (cyberpsychosis, what happens when your aug starts to glitch), and it's much easier to stop taking drugs and recover than to stop being augmented.

With all that said, which is more easier to explain for playboy millionaire Bruce Wayne:
"I'm addicted to some drugs I used at a party."
or
"I'm addicted to million dollar combat implantations."

Drug use, while easier to detect than bioware, is still easier to explain off. It also has the added benefit of the fact that no one will ever suspect that batman (in 2072 SR setting of course) is unaugmented. It'd practically be a free pass to any investigation into him.

Fully aware you were in favour of light augmentation, just couldn't see how it fitted in with those who argued against even that. Good reasoning though, I can see it to an extent. Two things I would say however are:

a) I'd personally say that the Muscle Toner he got to be quarterback in his college football team is a lot easier to explain away than heavy use of Kamikaze and other such combat drugs

b) As noted, plenty of corporate execs in SR are loading Synaptic Boosters. I mean, people want to kill them, that's a pretty good reason to get them. I'm not sure he'd have a great deal to explain if he had two dots worth of discrete bioware boosters.

[Crash_00]

I wasn't saying it would be hard to explain having them. He could find a reason, he's never been a dumb guy.

The point was that, without him, he wouldn't even be a suspect.

Some guy beating up thugs and dressed like a bat disappeared around Wayne manor last night. The guys were ex-spec ops and cybered out.

Mr. Wayne has some "combat" augs for protection/from college. We'll look into this.

Vs.

Sorry to bother you Mr. Wayne. This scan shows you're perfectly normal, we couldn't possibly suspect a normal guy to have done that.

Now, you could say his lawyers would bury the police in paper work, but Wayne seems to me like the type to take care of the issue head on. Nothing says deniability like offering to go along for the scan that proves nothing.

As for drugs, I'm sure Wayne Enterprises could have cooked up some drugs that make K-10 look tame and don't turn you into a berserk Bane as a side effect.

[Critias]

As for drugs, I'm sure Wayne Enterprises could have cooked up some drugs that make K-10 look tame and don't turn you into a berserk Bane as a side effect.

Then why couldn't anyone else have done so? 

[Xzylvador]

I don't really see who Batman couldn't be an adept... heck, for all we know he IS an adept and we just don't really know it. He himself might not even be aware of it! It is after all a world where that kind of thing is extremely rare (to the point of being virtually non-existent).
But I've been thinking about this for some chars of mine:
Isn't it possible to be an adept without being aware of it?
Of course, some of the flashy powers are kind of obvious and hard to ignore. (Eg. Elemental Strike: "What do you you mean it's not normal, my fists turning into fireballs when I get angry?")
But a lot of the "passive" stuff like Improved Ability ("I never really understood why people thought this was difficult."), Improved Attribute ("Yeah, I've always been the athletic type I guess."), Improved Sense ("How the hell can you NOT hear that?! Those damned dog whistles are annoying as hell!") or the more specific things like Great Leap ("Yeah, this takes years of practice. Don't try this at home, kids!"), Improved Reflexes ("No, you're just slow, chump. I trained since I was 10 to get this good!") or Kinesics (Watch "Lie To Me").
For all we know, Batman hit the one in 100 billion chance to be born the sole heir of a billionaire, with a whole load of Positive Qualities and Awakened in a world where almost no one (including himself) knows what it is (and therefore, has no chance to 'measure' such things). Add the Initiation(s) he went through in the monastry (they did have all kind of weird rituals) to give him a boatload of extra PP's and metamagic stuff and it's quite possible he's doing magic without anyone knowing it. "He's just THAT good!"

[JustADude]

Speaking of Metamagics... what kind of Metamagics would an Adept have any use for, anyway? This thread has me tinkering with my own "Batman" build, just for kicks.

[Xzylvador]

Centering is probably most useful to get rid of pesky dice pool penalties. Even if the situation doesn't give penalties itself (such as range, reach or bad visual conditions), do a Called Shot for extra damage or effect and negate the drawback.
Masking is great to appear harmless, no one will guess that 'mundane', unaugmented human can punch through walls.
Flexible signature's just a good way to be more difficult to be tracked/recognized by mages.

Street Magic adds Attunement to the list (extra dice for all actions with one attuned item), which can be pretty good. Cognition and its Physical counterpart suck badly, the drain is ridiculously high. There's also an Animal think, which I never read because of never using animals myself...
The Advanced Metamagics offer little. Extended Metamagic is good to hide your weapon Focus. There's an Enhancement for the animal thing as well, don't ask me what it does. Infusion
isn't worth the cost imo, if you can instead get an extra PP, do that instead.

Best of all: Ask your GM to allow the Optional rule which allows Adepts to gain an extra PP instead of a Metamagic.