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Shadowrun General => The Secret History => Topic started by: VajraSupremus on <01-11-13/1153:52>
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I think one of the reasons why the Grid is being swapped into a Pre-Crash likeness is because of an attempt to subjugate a huge threat; the Emerged.
Thoughts to the contrary, anyone?
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It could be. I am not an Expert on this topic but if you red some of the recent Publications it could make sense. In one the last Sourcebooks it is described how Dissontants screwed up the Matrix in Geneva and even tried to pull some nice Dissonace there. It could be probable that due to this "Threat" Corps are taking some countermeasures.
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Not to mention A.I's have been very mum as of late. Where is Pulsar? Other than all the N.G.I(Naturally Generated Intelligences. Term for spontanteously self-aware Intelligences sprouting from simple utilities and such) that are PC's, not much is being said of them, other than Cerberus and his work in interpreting and retrofitting the E-ghost phenomena.
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Except that the new grid doesn't slow the technomancers down that much. And all anyone else has to do is get new programs to match the new protocols. While a compartmentalized grid does (theoretically) help defend against a city-wide breakdown like you see in Geneva, it isn't clear that the Dissonance couldn't screw with the new grid, especially since it caused major weirdness with a node that had an OS that could only count.
No, I don't think it has anything to do with clamping down on technomancers and AIs, but more to do with controlling the flow of information, and being better able to secure areas against hackers of all sorts.
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Sorry, I seem to not be up to date with the lore. What is this in reference to?
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Corporate Intrigue, Dreaded Palace chapter, in the intro shadowtalk.
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Hmm, probably. I got the idea from seeing the story about Netcat going in VR through the new system and then getting caught by KE. It's one of the Hidden Fictions.
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You got the wrong idea, then. That wasn't a TM thing, it was a GOD agent in the node thing. GOD apparently will be patrolling the various networks, and there is going to be cooperation with local cops, so when they trace your hacking attempt, they get the nearest squad car to jump to your location, wherever that is.
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...I really hope that falls flat on its hoop. I do NOT need GOD snooping around on me when I'm Immersed.
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Yeah, the whole point of this new Matrix isn't an anti-techno thing, it is an anti-hacker (of any sort) thing. That'll make life a lot harder for everyone, not just hackers. Think about it, what do you do when your hacker can't get into the building security to unlock doors or blind the security cameras? What do you do when you need to get that datafile off the encrypted server? What do you do when a spider starts turning the defenses against you? Without a hacker in system, your options go from 'bad' to 'worse' to 'we're totally fragged'.
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Knowing the Black/Grey Hat communities, they're going to learn how to bypass these systems soon enough. Hacker House probably has prototype Forms and Utilities ready to start Alpha testing.
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Knowing the Black/Grey Hat communities, they're going to learn how to bypass these systems soon enough. Hacker House probably has prototype Forms and Utilities ready to start Alpha testing.
The programs aren't the issue. Before, the one thing you could count on was jurisdictional issues. In other words, if you went through an Ares system to get into a Shiawase system, then even if the Shiawase spiders spotted you, they couldn't backtrace through the Ares system without there being big problems, since extraterritoriality extends online. Even if they ignored that and traced you, there was a decent chance that you could get away before any corpsec showed up. Even if they sent out local cops, it still would take a while for proper authorities and whatnot. But if GOD is patrolling everything, and has close cooperation with the local cops, that is all gone.
To put it another way, picture a run against Aztechnology, where they can keep chasing you after going into Horizon property.
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Or, more appropriately, Aztechnology reaches Horizon and passes the 'pursuit' baton. It's no longer AZT actively chasing your hoop, it's Horizon. I can still see advantages to such (there are always rivalries and the like which will interfere to a point), but it sounds like it'll be less a violation against that one corp and more a violation against the Corporate Court itself.
Of course, I can see that breaking down at the sharp end, because in order to acquire cooperation, you might have to reveal what the thieves stole ...
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Indeed. And GOD doesn't have nearly enough spiders to patrol the entire matrix worldwide, even in the public grids. Good news, your likelihood of meeting a GOD agent while hacking will be about the same as meeting an Air Marshall on a flight being hijacked. Bad news, even if normal spiders trace you, they'll be able to get your local PD to get to you, quick, though if you're on extraterritorial property, you may have a few more minutes before the dogs are on your trail.
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Wait, does this mean I can't hack from home anymore?
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You could never hack from home. Throwaway spots or satellite remote have always been the way to go.
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Wait, does this mean I can't hack from home anymore?
That was always a terrible plan. Traces return a location, and if you hack from home then jurisdictional issues do not protect you - if nothing else, there's deniable assets.
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Wait, does this mean I can't hack from home anymore?
Unless you were going through eight different satellites, or your home happens to be mobile (RV, Houseboat, whatever), hacking from home has always been a bad idea, for the reasons others have mentioned.
That said, it means that probing first, getting admin privileges so you can turn off alarms or deactivate accounts, and just plain not getting caught are even more important now. You can't rely on jurisdictional issues to slow pursuit when hacking on the fly.
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I probably didn't rely on jurisdictional issues because I was always too careful to be caught in the first place. At any rate this won't really change anything, at least for me.
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I probably didn't rely on jurisdictional issues because I was always too careful to be caught in the first place. At any rate this won't really change anything, at least for me.
From some of your posts, I get the impression that you're playing a less risky game overall. A lot of the time getting traced eventually is an inevitability - so you hack away from home so that the trace doesn't go anywhere tied to you.
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I don't really ever take risks when it comes to my runs, and I haven't yet had a GM that dedicates the time to the matrix like I do. It's more an issue of not being given the challenge in the first place, even if I try and prep myself at every turn for it. As I general rule I try and cover all my angles, GOD is just another angle to worry about and another reason not to get sloppy. On a related note, are they actually stated out anywhere, or are there any stats on the grid overwatch guys?
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I don't really ever take risks when it comes to my runs, and I haven't yet had a GM that dedicates the time to the matrix like I do. It's more an issue of not being given the challenge in the first place, even if I try and prep myself at every turn for it. As I general rule I try and cover all my angles, GOD is just another angle to worry about and another reason not to get sloppy. On a related note, are they actually stated out anywhere, or are there any stats on the grid overwatch guys?
In most games, a run is risky to begin with - whether you actively take risks or not. It's not simply a matter of not being sloppy; you'd have to be perfect at all times, with the dice always coming up in your favour.
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That or, folding ahead of time, and restarting the hack if things don't seem to be going my way. Of course a run is risky, but you'd be stupid to not utilize every opportunity at your disposal to reduce that risk.
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That or, folding ahead of time, and restarting the hack if things don't seem to be going my way. Of course a run is risky, but you'd be stupid to not utilize every opportunity at your disposal to reduce that risk.
Most of the time, you can't tell until it's too late.
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Paranoia helps, whether the alert is imagined or not, has kept me safe so far.
But back on topic, what does Geneva and GOD have to do with eachother, or where's the connection. When did GOD step in to make, what would appear to be, technomancer resistant compartmentalization of the matrix, and wasn't the matrix already broken up to begin with? I mean, aren't all the nodes the same as how modern computing works?
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Paranoia helps, whether the alert is imagined or not, has kept me safe so far.
But back on topic, what does Geneva and GOD have to do with eachother, or where's the connection. When did GOD step in to make, what would appear to be, technomancer resistant compartmentalization of the matrix, and wasn't the matrix already broken up to begin with? I mean, aren't all the nodes the same as how modern computing works?
Like I say, I think you guys are playing a somewhat lower risk game than many others are - which is fine, if that's how you have your fun.
As for the new Matrix: It's not technomancer resistant - in the hidden fictions, Netcat gets onto it and it only takes her a minute to adapt.
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Okay seriously, if I could have a more involved campaign with plotted out matrix encounters and everything I would, I don't enjoy just winning because the GM doesn't have the patience for learning all the matrix rules. But you can get off that.
When did god step into the whole Geneva scene? And how is computing between nodes different now?
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Okay seriously, if I could have a more involved campaign with plotted out matrix encounters and everything I would, I don't enjoy just winning because the GM doesn't have the patience for learning all the matrix rules. But you can get off that.
When did god step into the whole Geneva scene? And how is computing between nodes different now?
Yeah, I was mostly just trying to make my point clear.
Not sure about the Geneva situation. As far as the new Matrix goes, we thus far know very little - they're changing the actual structure of how it's all setup, adding patrols by GOD spiders to the Matrix overall, creating a unified and very fast response... Might be a lot more we just don't know about yet.
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With the exception of sniffers, and wireless traffic interception (Or wired if you're just cruising the 'Trix). I'm not really sure how you can "Patrol the Matrix" any more than having physical presence intercepting traffic. In Unwired they talk about how pirated software sights are shut down so fast that the only way to get hacked ware is to find a secret underground warez node and BUY whatever you're looking for just to keep them afloat. So, on that not it would seam there is already an invasive presence, but what exactly are a bunch of spiders sitting up in space going to do on a whole?
I wonder, are they trying to root out dissonant technomancers or something?
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With the exception of sniffers, and wireless traffic interception (Or wired if you're just cruising the 'Trix). I'm not really sure how you can "Patrol the Matrix" any more than having physical presence intercepting traffic. In Unwired they talk about how pirated software sights are shut down so fast that the only way to get hacked ware is to find a secret underground warez node and BUY whatever you're looking for just to keep them afloat. So, on that not it would seam there is already an invasive presence, but what exactly are a bunch of spiders sitting up in space going to do on a whole?
It's not about the software, it's about the actions people are taking. But like I said, we don't know much yet - you're asking for answers that just haven't been revealed yet.
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I'm just talking computing protocol, like it was said earlier, there aren't enough of them to be omnipresent. So maybe a technomancer conspiracy isn't too far off, or something involving other Matrix entities like AI or E Ghosts. I mean, GOD is supposed to be run by the corporate court as a whole, so what is it that a hand full of spiders can do or watch out for that is important enough to have all the corps in on it together?
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If there's going to be a bunch of technomancers doing something seriously bad, bet on it being the dissonant - and they wouldn't go for the kind of conspiracy you're probably thinking. It is possible, too, that something might demand an Emerged response, and the good technomancers aren't likely to be corporate after Emergence and other events. If dissonants and entropic sprites took over the Consensus somehow, for example (actually, there's a few characters in Twilight Horizon I'm fairly certain are dissonant...). Kind of like how it fell to the otaku to take on Deus in the end.
And computing protocol would be a different thing entirely - that's more the design of how it works, and that could be entirely rewritten with a new Matrix - explaining why mundanes need to replace all their software.
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You lost me at "For Example". The only "Technomancer Conspiracy" I've known of was what happened in Geneva and that's just because I just read it. And I think Replace all their ware is a bit of a stretch, patch is more likely.
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You lost me at "For Example". The only "Technomancer Conspiracy" I've known of was what happened in Geneva and that's just because I just read it. And I think Replace all their ware is a bit of a stretch, patch is more likely.
From what is being implied, hackers will need all new Hardware and software to be able to "Hack" the new matrix. I'm sure the old hardware/software will allow all the Norms to still use the matrix but if you wanna crack it all new tools will have to be used.
Commlinks will still be around, I'm sure, but if we all want to do illegal stuff we have to have newer better gear.
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You lost me at "For Example". The only "Technomancer Conspiracy" I've known of was what happened in Geneva and that's just because I just read it. And I think Replace all their ware is a bit of a stretch, patch is more likely.
From what is being implied, hackers will need all new Hardware and software to be able to "Hack" the new matrix. I'm sure the old hardware/software will allow all the Norms to still use the matrix but if you wanna crack it all new tools will have to be used.
Commlinks will still be around, I'm sure, but if we all want to do illegal stuff we have to have newer better gear.
You really don't expect the corps to take the opportunity to buy new stuff? Besides, anything that invalidates the hacking programs invalidates everything relying on the same stuff.
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Oh I'm sure that the corp's will use this to Sell new stuff. But they won't be able to roll this out and just cut off the Trix from everyone. There will have to be a Transition period where the old stuff will at least interface with the new. The selling point will be the old will get you on the Trix but you need the new to take full advantage of everything the Trix has to offer. In that way will the corps monetize their new baby and still keep all the customers they have.
It'll be something like reduced bandwidth, or resoultion, or the new apps and programs only run on the new hardware. You can keep your old stuff but you will be behind the SOTA if you do. And no one wants that. ;)
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Oh I'm sure that the corp's will use this to Sell new stuff. But they won't be able to roll this out and just cut off the Trix from everyone. There will have to be a Transition period where the old stuff will at least interface with the new. The selling point will be the old will get you on the Trix but you need the new to take full advantage of everything the Trix has to offer. In that way will the corps monetize their new baby and still keep all the customers they have.
It'll be something like reduced bandwidth, or resoultion, or the new apps and programs only run on the new hardware. You can keep your old stuff but you will be behind the SOTA if you do. And no one wants that. ;)
... Well, I must be more tired than I thought. That was supposed to read "make everyone buy new stuff". Indications are that the new Matrix works differently, using different protocols altogether - which would render all programs non-functional, since they're build to work with the existing protocols.
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I'm sorry, are you all implying they're going to redo the entire matrix infrastructure of the world? I don't think any of the corps or going to dish out several trillion nuyen just to make everyone renew their ware, let alone all of them.
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I figured that was what you meant to say.
But even tho the new Trix functions so radically differently, or so we have inferred, logistically the corps won't be able to switch everyone over to the new tech right off the bat. So it will have to be a staggered intro and for some time in the beginning there will have to be some kind of bridge between the two systems. I'm sure there will be a Time limit to how long the corps will let that bridge stand before that just say now such and such date the old tech will no longer be supported. Then they will just let people join or fall off as they will.
Much like micro$oft and win 8 and them dumping any support to XP. People can get the new stuff or stay with their old system, but if they stay with the old they will no longer get support for it and they will be in danger and less and less programs will work on your OS.
Eventually everyone will convert. But the lower stratums of society will take longer with their lack of funds.
Now the corps abosolutly will not want to miss out on all the money comeing in from all those people that don't convert right off so they will have some type of reduced functionality Trix for Old tech'ers. But you just won't be able to have powerful enough OS's and programs to break down and hack the new paradigm.
To do the illegal stuff you have to have the new.
I'm sorry, are you all implying they're going to redo the entire matrix infrastructure of the world? I don't think any of the corps or going to dish out several trillion nuyen just to make everyone renew their ware, let alone all of them.
Yes.
Yes they are. Again.this will be the 4th time they have done it.
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Third. Internet to Matrix (due to the first Crash), Matrix to Wireless (due to Crash 2.0), Wireless to ... whatever.
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I'm sorry, are you all implying they're going to redo the entire matrix infrastructure of the world? I don't think any of the corps or going to dish out several trillion nuyen just to make everyone renew their ware, let alone all of them.
They do it with incredible frequency. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OncePerEpisode)
That's not going to be their only purpose, though. And it's going to be less about the hardware (in networking terms, that would be called the physical layer, and you can build a nigh-infinite number of protocols with the same physical layer) so much as the software protocols. For example, your internet browser is set up to use a number of protocols, such as the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) and the File Transfer Protocol (FTP). It's built for the requirements of these protocols, along with the underlying networking protocols that these are built to work with. If, tomorrow, the networking protocols were to change and the content protocols were to change, your current internet browser would be useless to you, even though nothing has changed in the hardware.
And yes, I know, I'm terrible for linking to TVTropes. I apologize for everyone's insomnia.
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Third. Internet to Matrix (due to the first Crash), Matrix to Wireless (due to Crash 2.0), Wireless to ... whatever.
It's late and my brain was thinking that some of the matrix was there before the crash, ergo the "first" iteration. But I guess you could just classify all of the internet's hardware as the first also.
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Right, what you're saying RHat is everyone would have to software upgrade, or patch, or crack or spaghetti or framework heir way to functionality. Not, we're taking out all the old junction boxes, tearing up the roads across the world and laying down new fiber optics and recycling all the computers on the planet, that would replacing the infrastructure.
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Right, what you're saying RHat is everyone would have to software upgrade, or patch, or crack or spaghetti or framework heir way to functionality. Not, we're taking out all the old junction boxes, tearing up the roads across the world and laying down new fiber optics and recycling all the computers on the planet, that would replacing the infrastructure.
Much like how a lot of the wired infrastructure survived Crash 2.0. However, upgrades or patches wouldn't do it at that point - it would be past the point of needing new software, because the code in the programs you have is no longer relevant - pieces could be recycled (programmers do this a lot - we're lazy bunch), but all your core functionality would need to be entirely recoded.
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So are the corps just releasing new OSs for everything, servers included? And there will be no backwards compatibility, or intentionally limited. How do you coordinate all the corps to make that decision? Especially since not all of the corps are major players in computing, that seems like something only a few of the corps would benefit from and wouldn't get the other corps to cooperate with.
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So are the corps just releasing new OSs for everything, servers included? And there will be no backwards compatibility, or intentionally limited. How do you coordinate all the corps to make that decision? Especially since not all of the corps are major players in computing, that seems like something only a few of the corps would benefit from and wouldn't get the other corps to cooperate with.
Well, if you really needed old software for something, there's virtualization, but the efficacy of the programs would be limited at that point.
As for their motivation... Security and control might be a pretty serious part of it - the wireless Matrix of SR4 has proven to be beyond their ability to control at times.
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Well, getting new programs probably won't be an issue for most players (Whether they RP it or not, or even know about it). It's just the monumental multi trillion dollar upheaval worldwide that strikes me as odd, I mean, they didn't even need to do that when they stopped broadcasting analog signals, or when they phased out 1G and 2G. I just don't get it.
"Well that thing with the technomancers in geneva was bad. Let's just make a NEW matrix worldwide..."
I'm sure it was more than just the geneva incident, but isn't that what GOD is out patrolling the trix for? Who, when, where did they decide to go .hack/ ?
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As for their motivation... Security and control might be a pretty serious part of it - the wireless Matrix of SR4 has proven to be beyond their ability to control at times.
At times? Try "Ever." Frankly, the Wireless Matrix as we currently have it is so open, it is ridiculous. I am sure some layers of it
are going to be kept, just because the whole RFID tags, your commlink, and automating purchases is just so useful. However,
I think it is going to have increases to the wireless Matrix's security protocols. I got the impression that they were talking about
there being something like 3 levels of the new Matrix in the hidden fictions(The Public Access, the Private Access, and then the
Orbital Matrix), but I could be completely misinterpreting that.
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Updating computing protocols makes sense to me, and having to hard patch BIOS or whatever links use and wifi protocols I can see, but if something were to make the current programs obsolete that would mean they released a new program language completely. "Yeah C++ was neat and all, but we're running t͡ʃ# now, it's in Esperanto, you'll all have to upgrade. No it isn't backwards compatible with any existing technology, but we will release plugins and plugins for the plugins so you can 'Ease' over."
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It seems to me you're arguing both sides of the coin. Let me point out a couple basics to you. First, the in-game ones.
One, the Grid Overwatch Division is not really out 'patrolling the matrix'. Think of all the cops in the world - now divide that by ten. And make them go 'patrol the internet'. It really isn't all that effective. What is apparently going to happen is that intrusion events - systems being decked - are going to red-flag to both the owning corporation and GOD deckers, who get to pursue the hacker no matter the jurisdiction. We've discussed the pros, cons, and 'cooperativity' of that in another thread - but it still isn't 'patrolling the Matrix' any more than responding to a silent alarm at a bank or liquor store is patrolling the streets.
Two, you ask this:How do you coordinate all the corps to make that decision? Especially since not all of the corps are major players in computing, that seems like something only a few of the corps would benefit from and wouldn't get the other corps to cooperate with.
Simply put 'the Corporate Court does' in answer to your first question. In answer to the second, all of the the Big Ten have 'National Corporation' A-rated computer divisions at a minimum; any other 'rated' corporation (A-AA) is going to have a division for their own proprietary code. No, Telestrian doesn't go down to Best Buy and get Renraku GridSamuraiTM firewalls for their systems; they have someone write it in-house. Sure, the baseline network code is going to be universal - that's what the Universal Matrix Standards meetings are all about.
Now for the 'RL' part.
Third, but most important, we don't know. That information hasn't been released - plot or otherwise - which means we don't know what is going on. You're asking us to justify one comparatively small tidbit of information by basically pulling theories out of our asses - and then shooting them down with questions and protests which, while good on the face of it, don't even comprehend the background of the game universe. Why the change? Because developers and writers have seen stuff that needs to be changed, I don't know. Because. The computer world today practically rewrites itself every two years - and anything more than four years old is hopelessly out of date. A computer generation makes mayflies look long-lasting.
In-game, they're doing it because they're really losing control over the network. Because right now, hackers are able to do to their systems damn near what the Echo Mirage team could do to their systems 40 years ago - walk through them almost as if they weren't there. You know what they did? They started researching ways to stop those people, and upgraded their systems, and changed the way the world works. Now, in order to get into Fuchi Americas without a passcode, you had to plug your brain into a cyberdeck, just to be able to adapt your programs fast enough to counteract the stuff you never saw before, which they changed last week. And from the sense I'm getting, they're going back to that. Computers are speeding up. Trying to slice a network with a commlink in 2075 will be like trying to hack into NORAD using UNIVAC and running fraggin' punch-cards.
Things change. Security holes are exposed. If you have issues regularly, you need to take a hard look at your system's core concepts. The stuff we're seeing is core-concept revisiting and revising.
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See that's what I needed to know, because there wasn't a Crash 3.0 I didn't see any reason for a massive upheaval. I've got 5 other fictional universes rattling around in here, and keeping track of history and events is not something I'm good at.
But back to that, I didn't see any reason for a massive upheaval because just like to day there are millions of people out there working on keeping everything in sync and advancing the systems and computing standards constantly. I just didn't know that problems were so severe and widespread that they'd be pushing the New Matrix button. I'm picking your guys' brains because I don't know, I don't posses the encyclopedic knowledge to draw up any new speculation. I love speculation and what ifs though, so I'm just trying to explore that.
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Updating computing protocols makes sense to me, and having to hard patch BIOS or whatever links use and wifi protocols I can see, but if something were to make the current programs obsolete that would mean they released a new program language completely. "Yeah C++ was neat and all, but we're running t͡ʃ# now, it's in Esperanto, you'll all have to upgrade. No it isn't backwards compatible with any existing technology, but we will release plugins and plugins for the plugins so you can 'Ease' over."
New language wouldn't do that. We get new programming languages all the time in the real world. Existing languages would work with new protocols - the issue is that you'd need to be doing different things in the code; you would need different program logic. Existing netcode, for example, would no longer function if the protocols it's designed, written, and tested for are no longer in play.
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Isn't the 'upgrade' of Matrix 2.0 (2.1 now?) due to corporate fears of Technomancers and hackers in general? That the new wireless Matrix has proven increadibly vulnerable to attacks, and this is being rolled out slowly accross the world. Basically it will create more secure domains until the roll out is complete (with those relying on older tech remaining vulnerable to the Technomance Threat!)
I could see that working. Megacorps are not archenemies competitors, they work quiet closely with each other and already coordinate the maintaince of existing protocols, GOD etc. So, they adopt new processes, hardware upgrades etc which has been proven to reduce their vulnerabilities to technomancers and their ilk. Hell, they lost control of the Thor Shots recently and what's happening to Horizon could happen to any of them. Not excactly a hard sell and you test here and there first and slowly roll it out accross the world. No more expensive then existing software/hardware upgrades and if your not part of the bandwagon, your a target...
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Isn't the 'upgrade' of Matrix 2.0 (2.1 now?) due to corporate fears of Technomancers and hackers in general? That the new wireless Matrix has proven increadibly vulnerable to attacks, and this is being rolled out slowly accross the world. Basically it will create more secure domains until the roll out is complete (with those relying on older tech remaining vulnerable to the Technomance Threat!)
One of the only things we know is that the new Matrix does absolutely nothing to slow down technomancers - in the Hidden Fictions, NetCat accesses the test node for it; it barely takes her any time at all to adapt.
In other words, if it IS designed as an anti-technomancer measure, it is hilariously ineffective. It will give mundane hackers some issues until they have new programs, but technomancers have no trouble.
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If by 'barely' you mean a week, then yes.
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If by 'barely' you mean a week, then yes.
A week of a little at a time, not a dedicated effort. And once you're adapted, you're adapted. Completely ineffective as a countermeasure.
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So, all we need to do is, change the matrix every week. Or, shoot Netcat.
This will be at the big board meeting on tuesday.
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I expect the decision to be made in the traditional pre-meeting meeting...
And its not looking good for Netcat
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So, completely redo the Matrix every week, or shoot all the technomancers?
I'm not honestly sure which is the less plausible path...
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So, completely redo the Matrix every week, or shoot all the technomancers?
I'm not honestly sure which is the less plausible path...
What was happening though to the Eye of the Hurrican technomancer? Possession AI? something even weirder?
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AI, no - something like that's in the domain of Sprites, wouldn't you say? Seems like they're at least adding Inhabitation Sprites (see the Scott Schletz thing), so Possession wouldn't be too shocking - specifically, though, this seems most similar to a Dream Pact. Some new sort of Dissonant threat is also a possibility.
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AI, no - something like that's in the domain of Sprites, wouldn't you say? Seems like they're at least adding Inhabitation Sprites (see the Scott Schletz thing), so Possession wouldn't be too shocking - specifically, though, this seems most similar to a Dream Pact. Some new sort of Dissonant threat is also a possibility.
Now this, this is interesting stuff 8)
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It occurs to me, though, that Resonant and Dissonant AI's might be a way to bring back the Deus/Maegara level of AI while keeping to the idea of the massive number of AI's that aren't like that.
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What was happening though to the Eye of the Hurrican technomancer? Possession AI? something even weirder?
He's dealing with bugs, all kinds of weirdness come from that...