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« Reply #45 on: <02-03-13/0425:49> »
So are the corps just releasing new OSs for everything, servers included? And there will be no backwards compatibility, or intentionally limited. How do you coordinate all the corps to make that decision? Especially since not all of the corps are major players in computing, that seems like something only a few of the corps would benefit from and wouldn't get the other corps to cooperate with.

Well, if you really needed old software for something, there's virtualization, but the efficacy of the programs would be limited at that point.

As for their motivation...  Security and control might be a pretty serious part of it - the wireless Matrix of SR4 has proven to be beyond their ability to control at times.
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« Reply #46 on: <02-03-13/0451:57> »
Well, getting new programs probably won't be an issue for most players (Whether they RP it or not, or even know about it). It's just the monumental multi trillion dollar upheaval worldwide that strikes me as odd, I mean, they didn't even need to do that when they stopped broadcasting analog signals, or when they phased out 1G and 2G. I just don't get it.

"Well that thing with the technomancers in geneva was bad. Let's just make a NEW matrix worldwide..."

I'm sure it was more than just the geneva incident, but isn't that what GOD is out patrolling the trix for? Who, when, where did they decide to go .hack/ ?
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« Reply #47 on: <02-03-13/0538:22> »
As for their motivation...  Security and control might be a pretty serious part of it - the wireless Matrix of SR4 has proven to be beyond their ability to control at times.

At times? Try "Ever." Frankly, the Wireless Matrix as we currently have it is so open, it is ridiculous. I am sure some layers of it
are going to be kept, just because the whole RFID tags, your commlink, and automating purchases is just so useful. However,
I think it is going to have increases to the wireless Matrix's security protocols. I got the impression that they were talking about
there being something like 3 levels of the new Matrix in the hidden fictions(The Public Access, the Private Access, and then the
Orbital Matrix), but I could be completely misinterpreting that.

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« Reply #48 on: <02-03-13/0556:35> »
Updating computing protocols makes sense to me, and having to hard patch BIOS or whatever links use and wifi protocols I can see, but if something were to make the current programs obsolete that would mean they released a new program language completely. "Yeah C++ was neat and all, but we're running t͡ʃ# now, it's in Esperanto, you'll all have to upgrade. No it isn't backwards compatible with any existing technology, but we will release plugins and plugins for the plugins so you can 'Ease' over."
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« Reply #49 on: <02-03-13/0707:36> »
It seems to me you're arguing both sides of the coin.  Let me point out a couple basics to you.  First, the in-game ones.

One, the Grid Overwatch Division is not really out 'patrolling the matrix'.  Think of all the cops in the world - now divide that by ten.  And make them go 'patrol the internet'.  It really isn't all that effective.  What is apparently going to happen is that intrusion events - systems being decked - are going to red-flag to both the owning corporation and GOD deckers, who get to pursue the hacker no matter the jurisdiction.  We've discussed the pros, cons, and 'cooperativity' of that in another thread - but it still isn't 'patrolling the Matrix' any more than responding to a silent alarm at a bank or liquor store is patrolling the streets.

Two, you ask this:
How do you coordinate all the corps to make that decision? Especially since not all of the corps are major players in computing, that seems like something only a few of the corps would benefit from and wouldn't get the other corps to cooperate with.
Simply put 'the Corporate Court does' in answer to your first question.  In answer to the second, all of the the Big Ten have 'National Corporation' A-rated computer divisions at a minimum; any other 'rated' corporation (A-AA) is going to have a division for their own proprietary code.  No, Telestrian doesn't go down to Best Buy and get Renraku GridSamuraiTM firewalls for their systems; they have someone write it in-house.  Sure, the baseline network code is going to be universal - that's what the Universal Matrix Standards meetings are all about.

Now for the 'RL' part.

Third, but most important, we don't know.  That information hasn't been released - plot or otherwise - which means we don't know what is going on.  You're asking us to justify one comparatively small tidbit of information by basically pulling theories out of our asses - and then shooting them down with questions and protests which, while good on the face of it, don't even comprehend the background of the game universe.  Why the change?  Because developers and writers have seen stuff that needs to be changed, I don't know.  Because.  The computer world today practically rewrites itself every two years - and anything more than four years old is hopelessly out of date.  A computer generation makes mayflies look long-lasting.

In-game, they're doing it because they're really losing control over the network.  Because right now, hackers are able to do to their systems damn near what the Echo Mirage team could do to their systems 40 years ago - walk through them almost as if they weren't there.  You know what they did?  They started researching ways to stop those people, and upgraded their systems, and changed the way the world works.  Now, in order to get into Fuchi Americas without a passcode, you had to plug your brain into a cyberdeck, just to be able to adapt your programs fast enough to counteract the stuff you never saw before, which they changed last week.  And from the sense I'm getting, they're going back to that.  Computers are speeding up.  Trying to slice a network with a commlink in 2075 will be like trying to hack into NORAD using UNIVAC and running fraggin' punch-cards.

Things change.  Security holes are exposed.  If you have issues regularly, you need to take a hard look at your system's core concepts.  The stuff we're seeing is core-concept revisiting and revising.
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« Reply #50 on: <02-03-13/1704:28> »
See that's what I needed to know, because there wasn't a Crash 3.0 I didn't see any reason for a massive upheaval. I've got 5 other fictional universes rattling around in here, and keeping track of history and events is not something I'm good at.

But back to that, I didn't see any reason for a massive upheaval because just like to day there are millions of people out there working on keeping everything in sync and advancing the systems and computing standards constantly. I just didn't know that problems were so severe and widespread that they'd be pushing the New Matrix button. I'm picking your guys' brains because I don't know, I don't posses the encyclopedic knowledge to draw up any new speculation. I love speculation and what ifs though, so I'm just trying to explore that.
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« Reply #51 on: <02-03-13/2045:40> »
Updating computing protocols makes sense to me, and having to hard patch BIOS or whatever links use and wifi protocols I can see, but if something were to make the current programs obsolete that would mean they released a new program language completely. "Yeah C++ was neat and all, but we're running t͡ʃ# now, it's in Esperanto, you'll all have to upgrade. No it isn't backwards compatible with any existing technology, but we will release plugins and plugins for the plugins so you can 'Ease' over."

New language wouldn't do that.  We get new programming languages all the time in the real world.  Existing languages would work with new protocols - the issue is that you'd need to be doing different things in the code; you would need different program logic.  Existing netcode, for example, would no longer function if the protocols it's designed, written, and tested for are no longer in play.
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« Reply #52 on: <02-03-13/2057:44> »
Isn't the 'upgrade' of Matrix 2.0 (2.1 now?) due to corporate fears of Technomancers and hackers in general?  That the new wireless Matrix has proven increadibly vulnerable to attacks, and this is being rolled out slowly accross the world.  Basically it will create more secure domains until the roll out is complete (with those relying on older tech remaining vulnerable to the Technomance Threat!)

I could see that working.  Megacorps are not archenemies competitors, they work quiet closely with each other and already coordinate the maintaince of existing protocols, GOD etc.  So, they adopt new processes, hardware upgrades etc which has been proven to reduce their vulnerabilities to technomancers and their ilk.  Hell, they lost control of the Thor Shots recently and what's happening to Horizon could happen to any of them.  Not excactly a hard sell and you test here and there first and slowly roll it out accross the world.  No more expensive then existing software/hardware upgrades and if your not part of the bandwagon, your a target...
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« Reply #53 on: <02-03-13/2135:17> »
Isn't the 'upgrade' of Matrix 2.0 (2.1 now?) due to corporate fears of Technomancers and hackers in general?  That the new wireless Matrix has proven increadibly vulnerable to attacks, and this is being rolled out slowly accross the world.  Basically it will create more secure domains until the roll out is complete (with those relying on older tech remaining vulnerable to the Technomance Threat!)

One of the only things we know is that the new Matrix does absolutely nothing to slow down technomancers - in the Hidden Fictions, NetCat accesses the test node for it; it barely takes her any time at all to adapt.

In other words, if it IS designed as an anti-technomancer measure, it is hilariously ineffective.  It will give mundane hackers some issues until they have new programs, but technomancers have no trouble.
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« Reply #54 on: <02-03-13/2148:36> »
If by 'barely' you mean a week, then yes.
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« Reply #55 on: <02-03-13/2220:10> »
If by 'barely' you mean a week, then yes.

A week of a little at a time, not a dedicated effort.  And once you're adapted, you're adapted.  Completely ineffective as a countermeasure.
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« Reply #56 on: <02-04-13/1805:54> »
So, all we need to do is, change the matrix every week. Or, shoot Netcat.

This will be at the big board meeting on tuesday.
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« Reply #57 on: <02-04-13/1840:52> »
I expect the decision to be made in the traditional pre-meeting meeting...
And its not looking good for Netcat
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« Reply #58 on: <02-04-13/2006:47> »
So, completely redo the Matrix every week, or shoot all the technomancers?

I'm not honestly sure which is the less plausible path...
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« Reply #59 on: <02-04-13/2118:19> »
So, completely redo the Matrix every week, or shoot all the technomancers?

I'm not honestly sure which is the less plausible path...

What was happening though to the Eye of the Hurrican technomancer?  Possession AI?  something even weirder?
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