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[OOC] The Bunraku Breakout

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Severus Snape

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« Reply #90 on: <03-02-13/1325:01> »
The thing with being ignored outside the restaurant:  I was standing directly in the doorway, my hand on the doorknob (and yes, that's in my post), peering into the windows.  The only way he could have gone by me is either pushing me out of the way, or not acknowledging that I was even there.

Inside the restaurant:  I pushed my comm code to the rest of the group, and even asked people not to call me Needle on it.  Lord pushed messages to the entire team EXCEPT NEEDLE.  That's twice that he intentionally disregarded that I was even there.

So the GM asks me to ret-con my post so I'm just outside the door in the event Lord (who is the other hacker) may have a chance to react to my post.  So I do that (against my better judgement), and Lord either doesn't care that I've gotten the commlink OR didn't read where I got it and started to leave.  So make that three times he's disregarded anything my character has done.

Sorry, but at this point I'm not sure what to say.  My character - because of Uncouth - would have just up and left.  And now that nobody has tried to stop her - or come with her, even after the open invitation - she's leaving.  Is this going to make her accepted by the group?  Probably not.  But considering nobody has even tried to say anything other than "Hey, just wait a second", she could care less at this point.  She has a job to do, and she's trying to do it.

As far as being ignored:  Again, I don't know what to say.  She tried interacting and didn't get much.  She's socially awkward, and the group really didn't do much to change her mind on that front.

Maybe this game isn't for me.  I'm playing the character, but it's hard to do so when the GM tells me not to AND at least 1 member of the group has gone out of his way to not even recognize that I'm there.  Or was.

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« Reply #91 on: <03-02-13/1356:40> »
Just a heads up everyone, I might have a hard time dedicating time to moving the story along today.  I haven't forgotten about you all :P  Just expect a slower pace over the weekend... I think...
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« Reply #92 on: <03-02-13/1359:14> »
Just a heads up everyone, I might have a hard time dedicating time to moving the story along today.  I haven't forgotten about you all :P  Just expect a slower pace over the weekend... I think...

Would you have time to post a response to the last question put to Ashley? The one about the evening being planned or not? Then the team can get together and plan a course of action. Once that's done it should be monday :-)

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« Reply #93 on: <03-02-13/1418:02> »
And Massimo's reaction... We need to know if I'm still alive after mouthing off to the mafia :P
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« Reply #94 on: <03-02-13/1428:19> »
@Severus: I don't think Lord was intentionally ignoring you, but whatever. He can speak for himself on that matter.

Regarding the commlink stuff, I honestly ignored it because I was confused by it. Keep in mind I'm a very new player and we have a very new GM, to boot. I try to read the Matrix stuff in the rulebook, but my eyes glaze over every time.

Can you give us a brief run-down on exactly what you did with your/our commlinks?
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« Reply #95 on: <03-02-13/1443:42> »
@Severus i didn't ignore you. You were the very first line. Lord just had nothing to ask of you. You had blown off trogs attempt to get you to stay, so he assumed he would fail as well. You explicitly asked not to be called Needle should any of us call you and its logical to surmise that you don't want shadow business on it either.
Your post did indeed ask for our commcodes but rather than have Needle wait for them she drove away.

It is polite in both online and in person communication to pause when you are expecting someone to respond. Kindly extend all of us that courtesy in the future.

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« Reply #96 on: <03-02-13/1453:13> »
Can you give us a brief run-down on exactly what you did with your/our commlinks?

In shadowrun a commcode is basically your phone number & email.
It's not so much attached to your commlink as given to you by your MSP (Matrix Service Provider) the cost of which is rolled into lifestyle costs. So basically you can have as many as you need and if you buy a disposable commlink it comes with a one week MSP subscription. There are also dark MSPs for the sinless.

Do you want to mention in IC something along the lines of "You know I've always wondered how easy is it to hack a commlink." And I can get Lord to give a quick demo?
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« Reply #97 on: <03-02-13/1754:38> »
Guys, i seriously think that we are not heading in the direction of a solution. I think we should try and solve this in the IC thread instead of OOC.
@Snape: yes, Lord waltzed into the restaurant right past/through Needle. It might have been a misread on his part. We are all just human and make mistakes.
@everybody: assuming Needle already started for her bus and everybody else in the restaurant felt this was still not the point to follow her (example), Concrete already started a call in which he invited everybody (also Trog after he finished his exchange with Massimo). Could we please go on from that point? I think it would be a good way to bring the team back together and start to sort things out IC. I brought that post forward by continuing Concrete's words to Needle.
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Severus Snape

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« Reply #98 on: <03-02-13/1856:49> »
Technically, I stated I readied my comm to receive your codes; I never explicitly asked for them.

And she already knows how to hack a commlink - why would she ask for a demonstration?  Not to mention that her hacking dice pool is higher than yours.

The aggravation isn't worth it.  I get so little gaming in that I don't want to be ganged up on for playing my character.  Or have the GM tell me I have to alter posts even though he recognizes that they fit the characters personality.  I want to keep playing, but not if I am going to have to deal with this every time Needle does something.  I shouldn't be expected to post "hey, I want to do this" and then wait for permission.

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« Reply #99 on: <03-02-13/1912:44> »


And she already knows how to hack a commlink - why would she ask for a demonstration?  Not to mention that her hacking dice pool is higher than yours.
Pretty sure the "demonstration" offer was directed at me and my character, both of whom don't really understand hacking at all.
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« Reply #100 on: <03-02-13/1923:40> »
I shouldn't be expected to post "hey, I want to do this" and then wait for permission.

When you're playing as part of a group and a team, yes you should. Going all the way from receiving the comm to leaving, to getting in your bus and leaving its a lot, uncouth does not mean incapable of being on a team. To then get indignant because you were told to allow others time to respond is beyond ridiculous in my opinion.

I get you feel ignored for whatever reason, but ignoring the team -and your GM- is not a solution.
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« Reply #101 on: <03-02-13/2020:30> »
Padawan, all I'll say is that I don't like your tone.  And that she has no concept of what a team is due to her being uncouth.

And no, I won't ask for permission to do something.  Not will I allow a GM to railroad me into ret-conning a post because he doesn't like what I've written - even if he had stated he liked my RPing of the quality.

I give up.  This game isn't for me.  First I get ignored, now im getting ganged up on.  I will respectfully bow out so this situation can come to a close.

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« Reply #102 on: <03-02-13/2227:37> »
Padawan, all I'll say is that I don't like your tone.  And that she has no concept of what a team is due to her being uncouth.

And no, I won't ask for permission to do something.  Not will I allow a GM to railroad me into ret-conning a post because he doesn't like what I've written - even if he had stated he liked my RPing of the quality.

I give up.  This game isn't for me.  First I get ignored, now im getting ganged up on.  I will respectfully bow out so this situation can come to a close.

Just my two cents real fast.

1) Feeling ignored at first, I don't think that was intentional by anybody. We have a combination of new and experienced people, and it can be difficult to get everybody on the same page immediately. He may have missed your post, I admit I missed it too or I would have said something to you on your character with Lasciel. It wasn't intentional by anyone. But when you have an asynchronous style of posting (not everybody online at the same time) things like this are going to happen from time to time, especially since it seemed we had a ton of posts get done in a short time between Siren and the others. I was even a tad confused where everyone was at first too. It was human error.
2) I understand your RPing uncouth and having no concept of working in a group. It is a very interesting approach honestly. But at the same time you do have to realize that while uncouth can make it more difficult for work together as a team, but walking out with the commlink is a little over the top in my opinion. I understand you were RPing the NQ, and that's awesome that you actually are into the RP aspect of the game, it did seem to go a little over the top on making it exceedingly difficult for the team as a whole.
3) Not getting the new comm messages, a lot of it probably has a combination of confusion on our parts, and in all honesty with my character, she's really empathetic but seemingly abandoning a team would irritate the hell out of her. I almost actually picked poor self control, vindictive and that would have potentially caused her to attack you or her van. But I didn't so I wouldn't RP that out.

And just a final question on your character. Again with how you are RPing uncouth, how would your character have gotten any reputation to even be called by Mass for this job if you have never worked as a team before?

If this sounds like I'm ganging up on you, or attacking you in some way, I'm not. I'm just pointing out a few things I see from my perspective, and I absolutely understand that you won't see everything that I see from your POV just as I don't see everything as you do from your POV.
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« Reply #103 on: <03-02-13/2337:01> »
And just a final question on your character. Again with how you are RPing uncouth, how would your character have gotten any reputation to even be called by Mass for this job if you have never worked as a team before?

That's easy - she's dual-skilled.  She's both a hacker and a medic.  Everybody needs medical attention, and if she happened to give some to someone he knows, he could have gotten her name that way.

Look, I'm just trying to RP the quality as I see it.  And while she is socially inept, she isn't above learning to be better.  Hell - she told the troll he could come with if he wanted to.  He declined.  She has a job to do, and she is trying to do it.

Think of it this way:  In The Big Bang Theory, how many times has Dr. Sheldon Cooper just done something without explanation, regardless of what the rest of the group says or does?  Considering her personality is based on Dr. Cooper's, her behavior isn't that far off.

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« Reply #104 on: <03-03-13/0238:11> »
Technically, I stated I readied my comm to receive your codes; I never explicitly asked for them.

And she already knows how to hack a commlink - why would she ask for a demonstration?  Not to mention that her hacking dice pool is higher than yours.
As I was replying to Bewilderbeast (indicated by quoting him) my intention was to answer his question.

As to our relative dice pools they are:
  • You: Exploit 5 (limited due to response 5 commlink) + Hacking Skill 4 + Encephalon 1 + Pushed 1 + Neocorticals 3 giving a total of 14 (16 when hacking on the fly)
  • Me: Exploit 5 + Hacking 6 + Pushed 1 + Neocorticals 3 giving a total of 15
The aggravation isn't worth it.  I get so little gaming in that I don't want to be ganged up on for playing my character.  Or have the GM tell me I have to alter posts even though he recognizes that they fit the characters personality.  I want to keep playing, but not if I am going to have to deal with this every time Needle does something.  I shouldn't be expected to post "hey, I want to do this" and then wait for permission.
Your still missing the point. You should compare and contrast your posts with the posts of the other team members. Our posts seldom contain more than one action that would have a response. That is to allow the GM or another player to respond and join in. It is afterall a group game.
 
And just a final question on your character. Again with how you are RPing uncouth, how would your character have gotten any reputation to even be called by Mass for this job if you have never worked as a team before?

That's easy - she's dual-skilled.  She's both a hacker and a medic.  Everybody needs medical attention, and if she happened to give some to someone he knows, he could have gotten her name that way.
He could of gotten her name, but that doesn't answer Reiper's question about Why would she be called for a team run?

Look, I'm just trying to RP the quality as I see it.  And while she is socially inept, she isn't above learning to be better.  Hell - she told the troll he could come with if he wanted to.  He declined.  She has a job to do, and she is trying to do it.

Think of it this way:  In The Big Bang Theory, how many times has Dr. Sheldon Cooper just done something without explanation, regardless of what the rest of the group says or does?  Considering her personality is based on Dr. Cooper's, her behavior isn't that far off.
And yet Dr. Cooper still manages to work within a team, he's brusque and annoying yet understands the need and benefits of working with others.