[Hellion]

Ok I want Mirikon's phone book and a few DOZEN more and the person who gave ok to finish the book the way it has... Seriously wtf

[Patrick Goodman]

Ok I want Mirikon's phone book and a few DOZEN more and the person who gave ok to finish the book the way it has... Seriously wtf

What seems to be the problem? This is slightly vague, and does nothing to help us improve things.

[Mirikon]

Phonebook denied. Excellent use of WTF moments throughout the book, and I loved the hero's sendoff Fastjack got when he handed over the reigns.

[Night Train]

Something was kinda bugging me about the pic on page 51.
At first, I thought it was the usual "The Troll is a human with horns and tusks" problem. Looking at it, though, I realize it
is that it is the 80's cartoon "Women are just skinny men with boobs" problem. combined with the "trolls are just humans
with horns and tusks" problem. I mean, she is so skinny, and her hips are skinny guy narrow, not the wider hips that is part
of female morphology. Combine this with her having more of a just muscled build.. Frankly, I am kinda disappointed by this
Fomori (has to be a Fomori because: no dermal deposits)

Maybe the character is a he and not a she. Cross dressing trolls anyone?

[Hellion]

Ok I want Mirikon's phone book and a few DOZEN more and the person who gave ok to finish the book the way it has... Seriously wtf

What seems to be the problem? This is slightly vague, and does nothing to help us improve things.

Patrick as much as I love a good WTF moment that's not the way fastjack should have gone out, just so doesn't seem right to me.... Just sort doesn't make sense of everything I know of him not to have asked for help earlier... That's just how I see.....  It's still a great piece of fiction and certainly makes an interesting starting point for the new edition....

Phonebook denied. Excellent use of WTF moments throughout the book, and I loved the hero's sendoff Fastjack got when he handed over the reigns.

*Packs one large hungry drop bear in crate and ships Mirikon the crate* here ya go in exchange for the phonebook

[Night Train]

Patrick as much as I love a good WTF moment that's not the way fastjack should have gone out, just so doesn't seem right to me.... Just sort doesn't make sense of everything I know of him not to have asked for help earlier... That's just how I see.....  It's still a great piece of fiction and certainly makes an interesting starting point for the new edition....

I don't think you can say that Fastjack has "gone out" quite yet. I think he has quite a bit of fight left.

[Mirikon]

Patrick as much as I love a good WTF moment that's not the way fastjack should have gone out, just so doesn't seem right to me.... Just sort doesn't make sense of everything I know of him not to have asked for help earlier... That's just how I see.....  It's still a great piece of fiction and certainly makes an interesting starting point for the new edition....

You're forgetting three very important things about Fastjack, then. 1) People see him as a legend, and he knows it. 2) He's an old man, even if the Leonization keeps him physically younger. 3) He is the de facto leader of this elite band of runners, and is, therefore, responsible for their welfare to some degree.

How does this come into play here? It basically boils down to pride, stubborn grit, and the fact that he wants to keep his people out of the line of fire if he can. To compare with a real world ailment, have you ever known someone with Alzheimer's or dimensia? I have. They aren't going to ask for help, and admit that level of weakness. They will work as hard as they can to cope, and try to figure things out on their own, until someone does like Clockwork did, and forces them to admit reality. And really, let's expand the focus. How many people suffering from mental illness in general are going to get help themselves, without someone pushing them to do so? Not many.

Fastjack views Jackpoint as 'his people', and wouldn't voluntarily throw them to the wolves by having them seek out whatever the source of these digital bodysnatchers may be. He also doesn't want to cause a panic. If it can hit people like him and Miles Lanier, then it can get anyone. And that's a big problem for anyone who uses the Matrix. Which is everyone. And given that these bodysnatchers appear to be hostile, finding the truth may be every bit as dangerous as uncovering the reality of the Universal Brotherhood was. He would try to limit the numbers exposed to knowledge that is potentially a death sentence until he was sure of finding some way to stop it.

*Packs one large hungry drop bear in crate and ships Mirikon the crate* here ya go in exchange for the phonebook

*doesn't recognize the shipping address, marks "Return to Sender".

[Crimsondude]

Why do people keep assuming he'd get Leónization? Does it really make sense that FastJack would allow himself to be locked into a vat for six months?

[RHat]

Why do people keep assuming he'd get Leónization? Does it really0 make sense that FastJack would allow himself to be locked into a vat for six months?

The intro to the chapter seemed to mention it.

[Valashar]

The fiction blurb that had him in it described him as physically old, grey, and wrinkled. So not likely that he's been leonized. Plus he's only 74.

[Crimsondude]

The fiction blurb that had him in it described him as physically old, grey, and wrinkled. So not likely that he's been leonized. Plus he's only 74.

This.

I avoided describing him physically in Conspiracy Theories (Hmm. I seem to recall that was the last time we saw him in the flesh) because you weren't supposed to know, but unless something changed—and Valashar's reference seems to back me up—he never got Leónization for pretty much the reason I mentioned.

[Hellion]

Patrick as much as I love a good WTF moment that's not the way fastjack should have gone out, just so doesn't seem right to me.... Just sort doesn't make sense of everything I know of him not to have asked for help earlier... That's just how I see.....  It's still a great piece of fiction and certainly makes an interesting starting point for the new edition....

You're forgetting three very important things about Fastjack, then. 1) People see him as a legend, and he knows it. 2) He's an old man, even if the Leonization keeps him physically younger. 3) He is the de facto leader of this elite band of runners, and is, therefore, responsible for their welfare to some degree.

How does this come into play here? It basically boils down to pride, stubborn grit, and the fact that he wants to keep his people out of the line of fire if he can. To compare with a real world ailment, have you ever known someone with Alzheimer's or dimensia? I have. They aren't going to ask for help, and admit that level of weakness. They will work as hard as they can to cope, and try to figure things out on their own, until someone does like Clockwork did, and forces them to admit reality. And really, let's expand the focus. How many people suffering from mental illness in general are going to get help themselves, without someone pushing them to do so? Not many.

Fastjack views Jackpoint as 'his people', and wouldn't voluntarily throw them to the wolves by having them seek out whatever the source of these digital bodysnatchers may be. He also doesn't want to cause a panic. If it can hit people like him and Miles Lanier, then it can get anyone. And that's a big problem for anyone who uses the Matrix. Which is everyone. And given that these bodysnatchers appear to be hostile, finding the truth may be every bit as dangerous as uncovering the reality of the Universal Brotherhood was. He would try to limit the numbers exposed to knowledge that is potentially a death sentence until he was sure of finding some way to stop it.

*Packs one large hungry drop bear in crate and ships Mirikon the crate* here ya go in exchange for the phonebook

*doesn't recognize the shipping address, marks "Return to Sender".

I understand what your saying here Mirikon, I really do, I just don't like it personally that's all... Each to their own, will be really interesting to see the new edition books as to who will be the central moderator out the "unholy trinity".... And the drop bear was not supposed to get you was an exchange for the phonebook.... Next time I'll just send ya some vegemite (its worse than the drop bear) !!!

[Sichr]

@helion: bad choice. It doesnt matter if things make sense or not, Mirikon will always defend what is written, fighting passionately everyone who came with criticism. Sometimes it is pure fanatism, IMO
ON THE OTHER SIDE
As much as I sometimes consider some events and plot upsets forced, NPC and Powers decisions irrational, unprofessinal or illogical, with every new sourcebook and piece of puzzle uncovered, authors always convience me that they know what they are doing, that they see a bit bigger picture and that they are sadisticaly dosing us those pieces with lot of fun, tension, expectations and surprise and that eventually you have to forget/forgive those details that made you unhappy, because the story as a whole makes sense, develops really good and makes the game and setting fun as hell to play. And they are able to surprise you. Which is good!
So, IMO Mirikon isnt that bad, after all
On the other side, dev team calls for constructive criticism and it looks like they are able to transform this feedback to improve and inovate. Which is ooosommm!

[Prodigy]

I personally feel this is one of the best SR books ever written. Up there with Harlequin Returns and Cyberpirates! I couldn't put this book down.

[Sichr]

Yes. And you got +1 for Cyberpirates. I love that book. And Maria Francesca