[PeterSmith]

I hate when people do that. Can't people admit there is a mistake, instead of mocking the one who pointed it.

Only if it actually is a mistake.

[Michael Chandra]

Some things likely are handwaved. Rule of cool and all that.

As for Lofwyr getting hit by a ritual spell, that's in Storm Front yes.

[Boomstick]

Thanks.

[Mirikon]

I hate when people do that. Can't people admit there is a mistake, instead of mocking the one who pointed it.

Only if it actually is a mistake.

Indeed. Just because you don't know how it was done, and can't replicate it under what you know doesn't mean that it is a mistake. First, it is well established that dragon magic in general just doesn't work like metahuman magic does. At best, we can imitate effects, but the process is different. Second, Great Dragon rituals are on a power level that they typically refuse to use them at all, because it is that nasty. One ritual involving great dragons put an impenetrable wall of True Air over an entire city, and drew in a massive cloud of corruption the likes of which had not been seen before, killing everything in the city and turning them into the undead. That cloud of corruption also absorbed a squadron of four airships, killed a great dragon infused with a Horror, and then split up, causing havoc across what would become Europe. Another example of ritual magic by dragons is when Hestaby launched an attack on Alamais and his folllowers, and the resultant explosion cut through the counterspelling of a great dragon and four lesser dragons, killing two of the lessers, gravely wounding the other two, putting a serious hurt on Alamais, and destroying the anchored protections in his compound, all the while without causing collateral damage to the city outside.

[Michael Chandra]

And despite all her hard work, she still got exiled.

[Patrick Goodman]

And despite all her hard work, she still got exiled.

I'm honestly not sure that exile wasn't part of her over-arching plan. She has something up that poofy sleeve of hers, but I'm damned if I can figure out what it is.

[RHat]

And despite all her hard work, she still got exiled.

I'm honestly not sure that exile wasn't part of her over-arching plan. She has something up that poofy sleeve of hers, but I'm damned if I can figure out what it is.

So glad I'm not the only one to think that.  Might be she needs to be outside the laws and customs of dragonkind for something.

[Boomstick]

I hate when people do that. Can't people admit there is a mistake, instead of mocking the one who pointed it.

Only if it actually is a mistake.

Indeed. [Points I wasn't aware of but still agree with]

Well, I guess if Nath said it needed something else (so finally, you agree with him), it was because the spell may have been described as the one used by Sirrurg.
And actually, the fact that it could have been powered by Dragon Magic was not even the first idea of Aaron (who might be one of the guys in charge around, unless I am mistaken >that is to say, one of the guys who could have one of the most "official" and rule fitting explanations).
Instead, we have been offered Ritual Spellcasting, which is ruled in such way that it needs tremendous amounts of efforts to pull such a trick.
Conclusion; the fact that we are not bluntly said "it is Dragon. Nuff'" or "plot device", means that they had no idea, and that they could fit it in the rules.
It is ok, errare humanum est (actually, it could have been helped with a little research like the fact of using corps names without link to their background, but ok, SR love is huge).
And then, we have the "smart" reaction of Mystic which made me react.
Do you understand my meaning now?

[Michael Chandra]

And despite all her hard work, she still got exiled.

I'm honestly not sure that exile wasn't part of her over-arching plan. She has something up that poofy sleeve of hers, but I'm damned if I can figure out what it is.

Figured she can work with it, but the death of half a thousand of her loyal followers? No way that was intended. Buthey, if Lofwyr is willing to kill 500 of his executives as apology, I might consider not labelling the three dragon corps as traitors of the sixth World and allies of the Horrors. Doubt he'll do that though, so he's off my partylist.

[Mirikon]

And despite all her hard work, she still got exiled.

I'm honestly not sure that exile wasn't part of her over-arching plan. She has something up that poofy sleeve of hers, but I'm damned if I can figure out what it is.

Figured she can work with it, but the death of half a thousand of her loyal followers? No way that was intended. Buthey, if Lofwyr is willing to kill 500 of his executives as apology, I might consider not labelling the three dragon corps as traitors of the sixth World and allies of the Horrors. Doubt he'll do that though, so he's off my partylist.

Agreed that Hestaby has a plan. Not sure what the plan is, but she has a plan. Dragons ALWAYS have a plan. And sometimes those plans involve taking a significant hit to their hoard and followers in the short term, for long term gains. The loss of the Shasta Shamans and her lair hurt, natch, but if the end goal is big enough, that could be coming off cheap for a potential payoff.

[Nath]

Yeah, but Celedyr's own plan is based on the fact that Lofwyr has a plan that accounts for Hestaby having a plan...

[Patrick Goodman]

Figured she can work with it, but the death of half a thousand of her loyal followers? No way that was intended. Buthey, if Lofwyr is willing to kill 500 of his executives as apology, I might consider not labelling the three dragon corps as traitors of the sixth World and allies of the Horrors. Doubt he'll do that though, so he's off my partylist.

Depending on what she had in mind...that's cheap. If it puts key pieces for her future plans in place, I don't doubt for a moment that she'd sacrifice all of the Shasta Shamans, let them blow Mount Shasta to its component atoms, and throw in a couple of other nuggets on the side, and never bat an eye about it. She was trying to position herself as the next Dunkelzahn, and either that didn't work out and she figured out how to just drop it and walk away (not something that's easy for dragons), or she's not done yet (which is where my money is sitting at the moment, but it's not too late to change my bet; that wheel's still spinning, and they haven't cast the ball in yet).

She didn't get where she was by being stupid, and neither did any of the other Greats. They know she's up to something, and she knows that they know, and that's just part of the game when you play with the big kids. It's not a matter of them having plans taking other plans into consideration; they all do that. It's about their ability to extrapolate the plans of the others.

She's dancing with Lofwyr and Celedyr and a couple of the other Greats, and the night is still young. This could get interesting.

[Nath]

In other words, a good plan does not rely on others' decisions, it withstands them.

[Patrick Goodman]

I think there's probably room for both, but yeah, that kind of sums things up for me. At some point, one of the plans is going to break down and that's going to enable someone else to take advantage of the bad thing happening.

[Boomstick]

You all seem to consider all dragonkind as cold snakes willing to sacrifice their allies and friends in order to achieve their goals without holding their breath a second, but I am not thinking the same. Big D was not like that, and some have proven very friendly and very caring about their allies and so on.
Someone told in another topic that they took interpreter while they can morph in metahuman because they are and feel so much above us,
but I don't think a dragon would have sacrificed himself if it was the case for him. Not even for being "the savior". His testament showed all the good he thought of metahumans and other living things, and I think at least a few other great are in this case.