[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Thais is the one who taught Howling Coyote the ritual. I have no idea if that is still canonical or not.

Textev?

[Crimsondude]

It's from Worlds Without End, so the certainty of it ever being canon has not been assured.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

And y'know, I even read that part of WWE recently ...

[Shade]

Ooh. I just had another EVIL thought. Take HMHVV and use a combination of gene sequencing and blood magic to create a strain that affects the dragons. 

My main plotline is something similar to that.

[Angrypixels]

Ooh. I just had another EVIL thought. Take HMHVV and use a combination of gene sequencing and blood magic to create a strain that affects the dragons. 

My main plotline is something similar to that.

If this happens it makes me wonder who the draconic equivalent to Magic Johnson would be....wow I think I need some sleep.

[Sendaz]

Ooh. I just had another EVIL thought. Take HMHVV and use a combination of gene sequencing and blood magic to create a strain that affects the dragons. 

Yes, because the dragons aren't on enough of a warpath already.

Plus where is a DracoVamp going to get a black velvet cape THAT big? 

Oh yeah.. and the coffin.. wonder if an old tanker would count....

[TheWanderingJewels]

or a very sneaky Insect totem who would play the long game. Anyone here remember Spider way back in the early fictions?

jes' sayin'

[Noble Drake]

or a very sneaky Insect totem who would play the long game. Anyone here remember Spider way back in the early fictions?

jes' sayin'

Arachnids are not insects.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Arachnids are not insects.

Pedant.

No, arachnids are not insects, but Spider - or a form of Her - may be Invae.  I would bet on 'probably not', though, if only because Spider is an actual helpful totem.  The Secrets of Power trilogy version I would actually wrap together as being a going-toxic Spider shaman and the ancient Shadow free spirit they made a spirit pact with.  The concept of Spider was naturally used extensively.

[Noble Drake]

Arachnids are not insects.

Pedant.

No, arachnids are not insects, but Spider - or a form of Her - may be Invae.  I would bet on 'probably not', though, if only because Spider is an actual helpful totem.  The Secrets of Power trilogy version I would actually wrap together as being a going-toxic Spider shaman and the ancient Shadow free spirit they made a spirit pact with.  The concept of Spider was naturally used extensively.

With Spider having always been separate from the insect totems in Shadowrun, I really don't see any reason to even entertain a possibility that Spider turns out to be Invae.

...unless Catalyst chooses to override yet another "truth" of the Shadowrun setting, at least.

[TheWanderingJewels]

hence my previous comment. And who knows if Spider isn't a form of Invae that doesn't feed on other ones. Or something much worse......

[witchdoctor]

Ooh. I just had another EVIL thought. Take HMHVV and use a combination of gene sequencing and blood magic to create a strain that affects the dragons. 

Ah, yes because creating a power vacuum works out great for everyone and does not in fact end up with everyone who is not Aztechnology and not a great dragon who may or may not be under the influence of horrors being utterly screwed. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to find someone to make sure this idea never sees daylight.

[Tzeentch]

I think it's quite clear in context that Spider (from the Secrets of Power) is not the same as Spider (the totem) or an Invae. A strong case could probably be made (based on its Name, and that being important when the book was written) that it's an aspect of the totem spirit though -- one intentionally walled off or separated from its more benign aspect(s). So Spider as the hunter and killer versus Spider as the builder, so to speak.

HMHVV clearly has a metagenetic factor much like the expression of Awakening. I doubt it's a simple manner to alter its threads (again, to use Earthdawn terminology) to allow it affect another class of creature -much less one that is inherently magical itself. Or, heck, maybe that's what the Aztlan anti-dragon bioweapon is based on HMHVV (vampiric regeneration being incompatible with draconic regeneration, so neither works). Plenty of room to explore the origins of that.