[Vass654]

Dunno, was just babbling at this point. I was thinking of the party with the miniguns trying to talk a SecTeam into backing down peacefully, or paying them to just walk away and say they never saw them, though I guess it would depend on the GM.

[RHat]

A pistol round to the face will kill you just as dead as a minigun, Vass.

[CanRay]

It's not the bullet with your name on it you have to worry about.  It's the one addressed "To Whom It May Concern".

[Mirikon]

It's not the bullet with your name on it you have to worry about.  It's the one addressed "To Whom It May Concern".

... Now I want to make a spell that marks them "Return to Sender".

[Shaidar]

The GE Vindicator (LMG), GE Vigilant (MMG) and GE Vanquisher (HMG) auto cannons

Are the minigun configuration version of LMGs, MMGs, & HMGs.

The Vindicator is the stats for This

[Michael Chandra]

Technically the Vigilant and Vanquisher are Main Guns, which cannot be wielded, only mounted. If they were mere Minigun versions, their damage wouldn't be by far superior to the normal machinegun ones. The Vindicator, on the other hand, comes with stats identical to other LMGs. Any MMG/HMG minigun version would reasonably use the 6P/-2 and 7P/-3 while using Full Burst rules (and possibly also a Simple Action to get to full speed, which one might demand for the vehicle main gun miniguns too).

[Sichr]

That's because you're not thinking clearly, Firebug. The MP-LMG can do good things for you as a man-portable gun. But the Vindicator really shines as a vehicle weapon or drone weapon. Once you get those barrels spinning, you can unleash molten death upon other vehicles like nobody's business. There's a reason why people put the same kind of gun on a chopper and let soldiers hose down jungle with them today. And when your target has some armor, that extra +15 DV can make all the difference in the world, especially since weapons mounted on vehicles don't bother with recoil.

And yes, that distinctive sound you were talking about? It is the same as if you hear a lightsaber hum in a Star Wars movie. You might as well start running now, because shit is about to go DOWN!

Except for the fact that FA fire doesnt apply to damage if you don`t penetrate the hardened armor. Also...no drone would be able to use this weapon for something else but suppressive fire, with thiskind of recoil...
So, Lets admit it. We just love to have miniguns

[Mirikon]

Sichr, the +15 can help break through the hardened armor. And vehicle or drone mounted weapons don't suffer from recoil unless you houserule otherwise.

[Sichr]

Sichr, the +15 can help break through the hardened armor. And vehicle or drone mounted weapons don't suffer from recoil unless you houserule otherwise.

Nope. FullAuto burst doesn`t count against Hardened armor. RAW. It applies Only if base damage exceeds the armor.

[Michael Chandra]

DV modifiers of bursts don't apply when comparing to armor rating. This would then apply for Vehicle (Damage vs no damage), Hardened (Damage vs no damage), Immunity (see Hardened) and normal (Normal vs Stun).

Yes the GM has to decide whether vehicles suffer from recoil. But it's not a houserule. It's an optional rule.

[Sichr]

Sichr, the +15 can help break through the hardened armor. And vehicle or drone mounted weapons don't suffer from recoil unless you houserule otherwise.

Nope. FullAuto burst doesn`t count against Hardened armor. RAW. It applies Only if base damage exceeds the armor.

FYI

NARROWBURSTS
Narrow bursts cause more damage to the target. Increase the attack’s DV by +2. Note that
this DV modifier does not apply when comparing the DV to the armor rating.

[Mantis]

OK, now I'm confused. The page Sichr posted states the narrow burst DV modifier does not count when trying to punch through hardened armour. However, the very next page, under Long and Full bursts lacks this note (pg 154 SR4A). Furthermore, vehicles say that the modified DV must exceed the vehicle armour to punch through (pg. 167 SR4A). The hardened armour power has the same notation, modified DV must exceed modified armour value. (pg 295 SR4A)
So long or full bursts can punch through vehicle/hardened armour so long as they help modify the DV higher than the armour? This would be a change from previous editions where it was only successes + ammo type + base damage to punch through. It would also mean only the narrow burst DV modifier is not counted when comparing armour. Is this correct?

[Michael Chandra]

Long Burst and Full Bursts simply do not repeat every detail, they only list where they differ from Short Bursts. Just like how Long Bursts don't list their recoil is cumulative, since Short Bursts already list that.

Modified DV includes things such as Called Shot, ammo types and net hits.

[Sichr]

it speaks of Narrow bursts, so it doesnt needed to be mentioned specificaly at every fire mode:
attributes of the burst fire you need to answer one by one:
1. how many bullets?
2. Narrow or wide?

[Sichr]

Long Burst and Full Bursts simply do not repeat every detail, they only list where they differ from Short Bursts. Just like how Long Bursts don't list their recoil is cumulative, since Short Bursts already list that.

Modified DV includes things such as Called Shot, ammo types and net hits.

you beat me on this