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« Reply #45 on: <05-28-13/2235:59> »
I have looked for a rule that suggests that bikes need gyrostabilization to drive themselves, and have not found it. It can be added easily if needed, though. I think smart tires also help, essentially being a thousand tiny kickstands.

I think it is a mistake to think of a cocoon as literally cocoon-shaped. As far as I know, there is nothing preventing it being any shape it needs to be. In this case, looking at the picture of the BMW Blitzen, it is easy to imagine a fully enclosed cockpit which makes up the shell. Now, trying to argue whether physics supports a particular game mechanic case-by-case is an endless task. I'm not going to try. I have a pretty good picture in my own head how it works, and that's good enough.

If you want to argue about the spirit and letter of the rules, look to thineself first. I've already given you the page reference in Street Magic. This is not a good road to go down.

To further explain the fiber optic cables, it's a pretty simple technology that is well-explained both in the entry under mage sight goggles (which you have found), and elsewhere in Arsenal. All you need are a pair of lenses, and a length of cable for each "window". The cable only needs to be an inch or two long to get through the cockpit. Essentially, there are lens "eyes" all around the cockpit providing a view in all directions. The tiny holes needed for the cable will not impact structural integrity.

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« Reply #46 on: <05-29-13/0045:16> »
Nobody said anything about the cocoon's shape.  The problem is that to use a bike, you need to get your feet to the ground.  Arsenal, page 103 shows that you need gyro stabilization for a motorcycle's pilot to be able to drive the motorcycle by itself.  Smart tires account for changes in the road surface, they don't do anything to balance the vehicle.

Mage sight goggles connect to a single cable, not a myriad of cables providing you with 360 vision.  Buildings with fiber optic cables run for a mage have a mage sitting at a control panel that switches the lines connected to his headset.  Having an extra eye installed gives you a penalty to everything, imagine having 10+ hooked up to you at once if you managed to somehow get a setup for it that worked.

Structural integrity isn't as much of an issue with the idea of putting cables through it.  The problem is that the rigger cocoon was designed for riggers to be completely shut off from the world, for better or worse.  Bypassing that goes against the spirit and letter of the rules, as I said.

Now, final warning.  Drop the attitude or find a new group to play with.  You've had more than enough warnings.
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« Reply #47 on: <05-29-13/0152:36> »
Oh, good, you found the reference for gyro stabilization, I was looking for that. Added. Note that I disagree about smart tires not helping with balance, as that is exactly what +2 handling can mean.

Raven does not have any extra eyes installed. The bike does have "windows" though.

You keep talking about attitude and warnings. We are both players in this game, with no more authority over each other than any other. I appreciate the help you've given reviewing and finding rules, but this heavy-handed repeated warning thing has to stop. I appreciate that you've GMed a game for us, maybe I'll feel comfortable doing that for everyone in the future, but it certainly doesn't give any additional authority except during the games that you (or I, eventually) run.

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« Reply #48 on: <05-29-13/0218:41> »
Actually, we aren't even. I'm an original member of the group, while you're a person we added in case some of us needed to miss a week.

This has nothing to do with GMing. It's about a new player coming in and being disrespectful and rude to the point of being belligerent. You've had more than enough chances to make peace, as I've tried over and over. That's ended. It's time to say your goodbyes.
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« Reply #49 on: <05-29-13/0230:14> »
Uh... no. Get the GM to do that stuff. Players don't have authority over other players. Seniority does not exist as a concept between players. Everyone is equal at the gaming table. Seriously. man, if there's anything making the game toxic, it's this authority stuff.

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« Reply #50 on: <05-29-13/0322:01> »
Whatever you say, Mad. You're not playing in any sessions with me from now on. Get out of this thread. I don't need your antagonizing polluting my games.
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« Reply #51 on: <05-29-13/1939:52> »
He does not respond...he just begins searching.
Data search commcode (19d6.hits(5)=9, 19d6.hits(5)=5, 19d6.hits(5)=6, 19d6.hits(5)=4) 25hits on the commcode

 19d6.hits(5)=5, 19d6.hits(5)=5, 19d6.hits(5)=8, 19d6.hits(5)=4 22hits on the complex
 

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« Reply #52 on: <05-29-13/2006:20> »
Dataminer goes at it like a wolverine, tearing up the Matrix in an all-out manhunt for information concerning the commcode and complex.  After a grueling search, he comes up with absolutely nothing on the commcode.  The complex is a different matter, though.  He finds that the last registered owner of the complex is Withmere Copperbottom, who died in 2047.  The government took legal possession of the property rights but has never seen fit to exert possession or control over the area.  Official statements say it's "in the works", but this is a well-known euphemism for "it's out in the Barrens, Chummer.  We ain't goin' out there."

Anything else you want to search for more specifically?
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« Reply #53 on: <05-29-13/2153:59> »
Dataminer rumages through the info saving it in encrypted folders an sending text to the team informing them the shared folders are available. He searches further, after which he begins to make subscriptions to various social media websites under false IDs. He begins making proxy servers out of them...7 of them to be exact and would call the commcode and begin a trace.

 I counted wrong prior (20d6.hits(5)=5, 20d6.hits(5)=8, 20d6.hits(5)=8, 20d6.hits(5)=7) 28 hits on withmere copperbottom

 Trace Icon I am calling. (16d6.hits(5)=7, 16d6.hits(5)=5, 16d6.hits(5)=4, 16d6.hits(5)=7, 16d6.hits(5)=6) 5 rolls 29 hits
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« Reply #54 on: <05-29-13/2213:04> »
You're bouncing a single call through 7 proxies, or you're making 7 calls? Are you using the commlink that Pakka had or your own? Make an edge roll to see if you happen to use the same MSP as Pakka of you're using your own.
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« Reply #55 on: <05-30-13/1037:31> »
((Cancel that idea, I'll do one better. I know with what I just did will be issues, also my tracking rolls are off. The amount of proxy servers i use equals the # of minuses for all matrix actions. So I will slow hack it. I will take on facebook equivalent, than random porn sites that are hosted around the world, we'll go with 4 to be exact. slow hacking admin accounts. I will first hack facebook, slowly, it gets to roll one analyze test once i am in to meet or beat a 6. hot sim 2 + hacking 6 + Spec 2 + nanos 3 + improved hacking 3 + exploit 6 + commlink optimazation 1 (23d6.hits(5)=8, 23d6.hits(5)=5, 23d6.hits(5)=7) So I got in with in an hour or two with an admin account. I'll go into each porn sites with buying hits. Takes me 2-3 hours for each one..I'm going to over estimate an say it takes me a total of 14 hours, admin access for all of them. Buying hits, it takes me 50 seconds at the most to turn all of them into my proxy server. I will than make the call and do an icon trace at -5 dice for the amount of proxies. Track 5 + Computer 6 + Improved compute 3 + neocortical 3 + hot sim 19 - 5 proxies = 14 I need to hit 10 success for each node until i hit the 50 meter jackpot. (14d6.hits(5)=5, 14d6.hits(5)=5, 14d6.hits(5)=9, 14d6.hits(5)=5, 14d6.hits(5)=4, 14d6.hits(5)=5, 14d6.hits(5)=5, 14d6.hits(5)=5, 14d6.hits(5)=2, 14d6.hits(5)=5) & Track 5 + Computer 6 + Improved compute 3 + neocortical 3 + hot sim 19 - 5 proxies = 14 I need to hit 10 success for each node until i hit the 50 meter jackpot. (14d6.hits(5)=6, 14d6.hits(5)=6) I would track equivalent of 4 nodes in 3 turns, assuming someone picks up.)) 
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« Reply #56 on: <05-30-13/1929:28> »
Are you using the commlink that Pakka had or your own? Make an edge roll to see if you happen to use the same MSP as Pakka of you're using your own.
I still need to know this stuff.
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« Reply #57 on: <05-30-13/1934:37> »
((I am using the commcode quark gave to dataminer.I am no where in the sight to get the commlink at this point.))
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« Reply #58 on: <05-30-13/2017:11> »
Ok, I need an edge roll to see if you use the same MSP as him.  Or just tell me your edge, I can roll.
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« Reply #59 on: <05-30-13/2116:19> »
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