[phydaux42]

What was the status of self-aware AIs in 2050?  Were they rare? How many were there?  And what were the regulations around them?

I understand that by 2070 there were feral AIs in the Matrix.  How did they get there?  Were there any in 2050?

Thanks

[CanRay]

AIs in 2050 were fairy tales told to little Deckers to make sure they ate their vegetable-favored NutriSoy and went to bed before the break of dawn.

[phydaux42]

when did the first one "wake up" and who/where was it?

[Boomstick]

Not sure if which novel I should point to you, but I think that you can have quite a lot of data about this in Renraku Arcology: Shutdown and Brainscan books. Some stories about two other of the main protagonists are maybe in other books, like the Secret of Power trilogy novels, System failure, Matrix, some Seattle/SOTA books, the novel Psychotrope and a few else. But think that the Matrix book for sR3 and the novels are good starting points for the period you're aiming at..

As for the first, it was
[Mirage, during the Virus war. Then there was Morgan, and then Deus

Source: a little of my Knowledge largely helped by http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/

[Belker]

The first novel Morgana, the Renraku prototype AI shows up in, is "Never Deal With a Dragon", the first in the "Secrets of Power" trilogy. The events in that take place in 2050-2051, I believe.

[Valashar]

Mirage came to be during the battles against the Crash Virus of 2029-2030ish. He mostly kept to the background unless something was done do directly threaten his interests or the Matrix as a whole.

Morgan came into being in the mid-2050's (2054-55?) when a Renraku semi-autonomous knowbot encountered Dodger and got the spark into self-awareness. Dodger and others got her out from under corporate thumbs but she was hunted down and recaptured, then e-vivisected with parts of her core code being fed into the Renraku Arcology's Arcology Expert Program, which eventually became Deus. When Dodger and friends tried to rescue her, she was damaged extensively and the remains took the name Megaera.

Deus, who is the big bad of AIs. Started out as the Arcology Expert Program in the Renraku's Seattle arcology, created with a combination of extremely advanced technology for the time (courtesy of the immortal elf Leonardo), the single largest concentration of Matrix hardware, and parts of the vivisected older AI, Morgan. Caused the Arcology Shutdown as well as being a huge part of why Crash 2.0 sucked so hard. He is basically the ultimate nightmare of the modern Matrix post-2059.

[Boomstick]

Deus started out as the Arcology Expert Program in the Renraku's Seattle arcology

Well that was Morgan at first who had this function, they made him the program controlling the SCIRE in later stages.

created with a combination of extremely advanced technology for the time (courtesy of the immortal elf Leonardo), the single largest concentration of Matrix hardware, and parts of the vivisected older AI, Morgan

Was not aware of Leonardo part there, was he there for code or "only" for hardware? Wonder how much of this he planned, and what is the real part of Clibber and Eurich/Redline in it in hindsight...

[Mirikon]

You also forgot about Alice of Wonderland, the e-ghost of Alice Haefner, who died fighting the Crash Virus. She's also the reason Roxy is still in a box.

[CanRay]

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[Boomstick]

You also forgot about Alice of Wonderland, the e-ghost of Alice Haefner, who died fighting the Crash Virus. She's also the reason Roxy is still in a box.

You lost me completely on that;) I knew there was something about Alice, but not that her ghost was that active. And for Roxy, I skipped on that too?
Have you any reference to point me to, please?

[Black]

Mirage came to be during the battles against the Crash Virus of 2029-2030ish. He mostly kept to the background unless something was done do directly threaten his interests or the Matrix as a whole.

Morgan came into being in the mid-2050's (2054-55?) when a Renraku semi-autonomous knowbot encountered Dodger and got the spark into self-awareness. Dodger and others got her out from under corporate thumbs but she was hunted down and recaptured, then e-vivisected with parts of her core code being fed into the Renraku Arcology's Arcology Expert Program, which eventually became Deus. When Dodger and friends tried to rescue her, she was damaged extensively and the remains took the name Megaera.

Deus, who is the big bad of AIs. Started out as the Arcology Expert Program in the Renraku's Seattle arcology, created with a combination of extremely advanced technology for the time (courtesy of the immortal elf Leonardo), the single largest concentration of Matrix hardware, and parts of the vivisected older AI, Morgan. Caused the Arcology Shutdown as well as being a huge part of why Crash 2.0 sucked so hard. He is basically the ultimate nightmare of the modern Matrix post-2059.

All correct, except Morgan meets Dodger in 2050.

Pretty much oly three-four ai pre-crash 2.0.  Until  Deus does his thing to the Arc, A.I. Were considered myths by even most shadowrun deckers.  They only had advanced know bots etc at the time.

[Mirikon]

You also forgot about Alice of Wonderland, the e-ghost of Alice Haefner, who died fighting the Crash Virus. She's also the reason Roxy is still in a box.

You lost me completely on that;) I knew there was something about Alice, but not that her ghost was that active. And for Roxy, I skipped on that too?
Have you any reference to point me to, please?

It is scattered through earlier material. To start with, know that Thomas Roxborough is the genius who unleashed the Crash Virus against a minor corp as a test run before going after a bigger rival. Unfortunately, the virus got loose, and this is where the first Crash came to be. Alice Haefner was part of Echo Mirage, and died in combat with the virus. However, her consciousness apparently got shunted into the Matrix, and she had her own little corner of it she called Wonderland. And when Roxborough happened to come down with an auto-immune disease that caused his body to attack itself, he began taking radical gene treatments to try and save himself. However, the treatments never quite did the job, leaving him as a floating mass of organic material in a tank, still able to communicate via the matrix. And Alice has made sure that any information that could help him out of that tank disappeared. Woman scorned, and all that.

[Boomstick]

Thanks for the resume. Didn't catch on Roxborough, knew the name but didn't recognized it there.

 Did Alice appear as an eghost before Mirage emerged or after, could be quite related in hindsight?

And about the infos she destroyed, is it more about him being in the tank and so on, which means he is thus pretty dead as even SR vats would need supplies and such for feeding and caring for the corpse inside of it, or about potential treatments of his disease, which in this case mean that the guy only need someone to make new tests on him to get a treatment with the newest genetech, nanotech, or even magic.

[Angelone]

Didn't Roxy try to mind control Ryan Mercury? Or reprogram Ryan into himself or something?

[Mirikon]

Roxborough is still alive, somehow, and still in the tank. Alice was simply keeping him from ever being able to get out of that tank, because she wanted him to suffer. Of course, she ran into Jormungand during Crash 2.0, so she's likely not around any more, so who knows what will happen in the future?

As for who emerged first, that is unclear. Likely Mirage and Alice both emerged around the same time, while fighting the Crash Virus. However, both stayed relatively low profile for years. Alice blended in as a hacker in the Matrix, and Mirage simply orchestrated things behind the scenes. Morgan/Megaera emerged in the 2050s, and began following Dodger around. They were a really cute couple, too. Still, AIs were mostly the stuff of legend, even though a few people in the shadows had first-hand knowledge of their existence. It wasn't until Deus stepped out in the open by taking over the SCIRE that they became an actual fact, and not a myth. A good analogy would be dragons, before the Awakening, and then suddenly Ryumyo shows up over Mt. Fuji.