[All4BigGuns]

I assume that once we get Rigger 5 we can add more space, and in all fairness it should be easy to get a GM to let you mod one using SR4 rules for now. But the question remains: Why do you need a helicopter that transports others? How often would you use it, and can't you just steal or hire it instead, or borrow it as a favor? Are there not more sufficient, cheaper, transport systems available?

With lack of information, we can only assume the same things will be possible that were before, and there was no "extra space" modification for passengers in the previous edition.

How often it's used has absolutely no bearing.

Why shouldn't it be possible for the character being built to be the guy called on for such transport? After all, that could very well be what he was doing before campaign-start.

[Michael Chandra]

Why shouldn't it be possible for the character being built to be the guy called on for such transport? After all, that could very well be what he was doing before campaign-start.

Because he likely had a boss, or would rent the chopper, or use a cheap airplane.

With lack of information, we can only assume the same things will be possible that were before, and there was no "extra space" modification for passengers in the previous edition.

Amenities: Squatter doubled the amount of people you could fit into any vehicle. Take it with 2 Wasps and let one follow you on auto-pilot and you got a team of 4.

[All4BigGuns]

Why shouldn't it be possible for the character being built to be the guy called on for such transport? After all, that could very well be what he was doing before campaign-start.

Because he likely had a boss, or would rent the chopper, or use a cheap airplane.

Interesting assumption, but it's just that, an assumption.

[Maddoux1]

It should be quite possible to build a character that functioned exactly as envisioned before they ever met the current team.

Ok, so this is an argument I only hear in modern game systems.  I'm going to break one of my personal rules here, but you'd never make this argument in D&D.

Nobody builds a character at the start of the game and demands that they have their Holy Avenger sword, Warhorse (with barding), magical armor, handy haversack, and all the other "standard gear" that "every adventurer should have".

[ZeConster]

Actually, if you start a character at a level higher than 1 in D&D 4, I think you can start with as much of the non-magical stuff as you want.

[Maddoux1]

I doubt that it is true, though I'm sure many items are free.  Even if it were, I listed a few magical items.  I would definitely put Cyberware and high valued items as in the same category.

[Emil_Barr]

I assume that once we get Rigger 5 we can add more space, and in all fairness it should be easy to get a GM to let you mod one using SR4 rules for now. But the question remains: Why do you need a helicopter that transports others? How often would you use it, and can't you just steal or hire it instead, or borrow it as a favor? Are there not more sufficient, cheaper, transport systems available?

Stealing *cars* isnt supposed to be particularly easy anymore, let alone a helicopter thats is probably on a guarded pad. Id imagine youd have to take matrix possession to even be able to fly it reliably, and isnt that an extended test with an interval of *hours*? Good luck tryin to do that on the pad or in the hanger.
Borrowing things off contacts isnt reliable, and its rather lame to have to. Especially when it means you cant customize it.

[Crunch]

Then save up and buy one later, or see if your GM wil let you borrow the money off a loan shark and make payments.

The inability to have the exact chopper you want in chargen is not a weakness of the chargen system.

[Michael Chandra]

Why shouldn't it be possible for the character being built to be the guy called on for such transport? After all, that could very well be what he was doing before campaign-start.

Because he likely had a boss, or would rent the chopper, or use a cheap airplane.

Interesting assumption, but it's just that, an assumption.

Aaaaaand your point here is? Unless I misunderstood your argument, it was "the character might have been transporting people before so he should still be able to transport them now". However, even with such a background there's plenty of ways that the character would no longer have access to a big cargo helicopter anymore. So I stated a few of those. I don't see what about that is assumptions. It's background story.

And yes, there should be cheaper, weaker and less spatial helicopters. I really hope Rigger 5 will be out soon, to give us far more options for drones and vehicles. But that doesn't change the fact that you still haven't told me why you need that helicopter exactly.

[Mirikon]

No. It should be completely feasible to build such a character on the premise that they have never had any contact with the rest of the team prior.

That is utter crap. There are things it is possible to do under the rules, and things it is not possible to do under the rules. Saying "I want to do this, so I should be able to" is the same logic four year olds use.

And you want to know the reason that logic doesn't work in games? Because then you'd have Goku, Gandalf, and four Batmans on the same runner team, with a pet Dragon.

[All4BigGuns]

That is utter crap. There are things it is possible to do under the rules, and things it is not possible to do under the rules. Saying "I want to do this, so I should be able to" is the same logic four year olds use.

And you want to know the reason that logic doesn't work in games? Because then you'd have Goku, Gandalf, and four Batmans on the same runner team, with a pet Dragon.

Name calling? Really? I thought you were above that.

The second statement is a ridiculous over-exaggeration and you know it. It's even worse than when someone tried claiming that it was asking for a freaking T-Bird.

And yes, there should be cheaper, weaker and less spatial helicopters. I really hope Rigger 5 will be out soon, to give us far more options for drones and vehicles. But that doesn't change the fact that you still haven't told me why you need that helicopter exactly.

Again, it's the cheapest with more than one seat. With the attitude I'm seeing so far in this thread, it does not fill me with confidence in there being any that are any cheaper than that without dropping back down to single-seat jobs.

[Mirikon]

Sorry, but I didn't call you any names. Just saying that is the same logic my three year old niece uses to say why she shouldn't get punished for doing the things she wants to do.

And no, that isn't an over-exaggeration. It was another system, but I've actually played in two different groups that were almost exactly like that (one had King Arthur instead of one of the Batmans though).

[All4BigGuns]

And no, that isn't an over-exaggeration. It was another system, but I've actually played in two different groups that were almost exactly like that (one had King Arthur instead of one of the Batmans though).

That's a far cry away from the cheapest of the multi-seat helicopters.

[Crunch]

The second statement is a ridiculous over-exaggeration and you know it. It's even worse than when someone tried claiming that it was asking for a freaking T-Bird.

Unsurprisingly that's a complete distortion.

[All4BigGuns]

Not distorting in the least when you take someone thinking that there should be enough to feasibly have the cheapest of the choppers with more than one seat and jump straight to multi-million nuyen vehicles like missile boats and T-Birds.