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« Reply #15 on: <09-27-13/1904:22> »
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no technology could be "uninvented", same for magic, it's ok a bit of nostalgia once in a time but shouldn't be more than a bit.
But it can be, if the game designers will it so. Dikote vanished without a word between editions. Perhaps it never existed. Perhaps it's just the standard for sword technology now. Either way I can no longer get a bonus to my sword from it.

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« Reply #16 on: <09-27-13/2015:56> »
, I don't want to be harsh but well... putting the clock backward usually don't works, no technology could be "uninvented", same for magic, it's ok a bit of nostalgia once in a time but shouldn't be more than a bit. From the point of metaplot can't really uninvent anything in an evolving timeline as Shadowrun's one.
Well something like that happened, I'm not talking about calling Decker an Hacker or use the old lingo in shadowtalk, even the lingo evolve though, and SR is FAST,ask any Great Scaliness if you dare...
OK reading this seems more bad than I really think but those things are there... and I think I don't like it because was projected not at the "new" players but to sell the game to the old boogie like me but is a bit shortsighted if that, but yeah I'm doing a lot of inferences here from all the nostalgia around and maybe I wrong...

Technologies are "lost" all the time. and then re-invented.... So much so that it is scary. want a few examples?

Electricity is generally thought to have been discovered in the 1860s.  Yet archeological evidence is pointing to the ancient Egyptians having electro-chemical batteries and filament light production....

The Pyramids of Mexico. Harsh terrain, few quarries, yet massive stone blocks seem to have been moved hundreds of miles .... or where they?

Mexico City, before the Spainards arrived was a floating city of 250,000... a feat we would be hard pressed to do today.

the printing press is credited to being invented in 1535 AD. Yet some Roman documents have recently surfaced, in them the writing was so precise, level and near perfect to each other. Current speculation is either the same highly skilled scholar wrote the documents, using an unknown method to keep his lettering, spacing, and angle precise, or a crude form of a printing press must have been used (which could also mean that the  documents might have been mass produced as well.)
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« Reply #17 on: <09-27-13/2101:43> »

Technologies are "lost" all the time. and then re-invented.... So much so that it is scary. want a few examples?

--Examples--

I see what you're saying as far as the examples you listed, but they were before modern systems of cataloguing technologies were in place like the Library of Congress and various countries Patent Offices, Brain Trusts and Information Repositories.

 The problem isn't that the technology was 'Forgotten' but should be more along the lines of 'Totally Freaking Repressed' Or perhaps it was found to have unintended and lethal side effects? The problem isn't the lack of those items, but more the way they were deleted from canon.

Anyways, the Jackpoint stuff and Shadowland stuff is a necessary element to Shadowrun. Without it, the Living Campaigns lack any kind of cohesiveness, it's a sort of informational deus ex machina to disseminate information.

I do like the fact that they used a bit of forethought in thinking out how Jackpoint would actually work as a distributed vpn network as opposed to other, less tech-savvy solutions.

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« Reply #18 on: <09-27-13/2125:50> »
If you want a modern example look at Betamax, minidisc, TiVo or HD-DVD. Technology goes out of use all the time, sometimes for really silly reasons.

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« Reply #19 on: <09-27-13/2133:58> »
If you want a modern example look at Betamax, minidisc, TiVo or HD-DVD. Technology goes out of use all the time, sometimes for really silly reasons.

Betamax and HD-DVD were competing with VHS and Blu-ray respectively, and "lost". Not sure what happened with TiVo, but it does seem rather close to DVR.
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« Reply #20 on: <09-27-13/2225:49> »
If you want a modern example look at Betamax, minidisc, TiVo or HD-DVD. Technology goes out of use all the time, sometimes for really silly reasons.

Betamax and HD-DVD were competing with VHS and Blu-ray respectively, and "lost". Not sure what happened with TiVo, but it does seem rather close to DVR.

I think TiVo was a little to ahead of it's time.... and that is why it failed.
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« Reply #21 on: <09-27-13/2235:04> »
If you want a modern example look at Betamax, minidisc, TiVo or HD-DVD. Technology goes out of use all the time, sometimes for really silly reasons.

Betamax and HD-DVD were competing with VHS and Blu-ray respectively, and "lost". Not sure what happened with TiVo, but it does seem rather close to DVR.

I think TiVo was a little to ahead of it's time.... and that is why it failed.
TiVo did not fail. They are still around, still sold at Best Buy, and probably doing just fine.

...in fact, TiVo was so successful that now what were their innovations have become the "market standard", and every company that provides television service has put together their own TiVo-like devices so as to not lose every possible dollar to TiVo.

Saying TiVo failed is like saying that the first commercial cyberdeck failed - it's just wacky talk.

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« Reply #22 on: <09-27-13/2244:13> »
...in fact, TiVo was so successful that now what were their innovations have become the "market standard", and every company that provides television service has put together their own TiVo-like devices so as to not lose every possible dollar to TiVo.

Hmm...no wonder it seems so close to DVR. Same thing with a different name basically.
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« Reply #23 on: <09-27-13/2247:41> »
...in fact, TiVo was so successful that now what were their innovations have become the "market standard", and every company that provides television service has put together their own TiVo-like devices so as to not lose every possible dollar to TiVo.

Hmm...no wonder it seems so close to DVR. Same thing with a different name basically.


yea, did a little looking, looks like TiVo is the "sleeping giant" of the digital download age... they apparently hold many patents and liecense out the patents to brand names to build....

Not a bad money scheme really.... they have little production costs, and in return get a small share of Sony DVR sales...
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« Reply #24 on: <09-27-13/2309:52> »
TiVo patented Shadowland?
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« Reply #25 on: <09-27-13/2354:52> »
TiVo patented Shadowland?

sux being the last know huh?
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« Reply #26 on: <09-28-13/0135:46> »
TiVo patented Shadowland?

Technically Bill Gates did, since he invented the VPN. Then sold the patent to VirnetX, then Microsoft got sued by that company for not paying them licensing fees to the tune of 105 Million Dollars. http://newsdesignlogo.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-security-software-company-which.html There's the link. The entire scenario is so amazingly post-modern.

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« Reply #27 on: <09-28-13/0145:42> »
TiVo patented Shadowland?

Technically Bill Gates did, since he invented the VPN. Then sold the patent to VirnetX, then Microsoft got sued by that company for not paying them licensing fees to the tune of 105 Million Dollars. http://newsdesignlogo.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-security-software-company-which.html There's the link. The entire scenario is so amazingly post-modern.

Why three times? I wonder who holds the patent in Shadowrun. You think the Gates family got it back?
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« Reply #28 on: <09-28-13/0204:19> »
I'm sure someone on this board will pop up with an obscure reference to how Shadowrun gov't's handle patent law.

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« Reply #29 on: <09-29-13/0331:35> »
I'm sure someone on this board will pop up with an obscure reference to how Shadowrun gov't's handle patent law.
Simple - they don't.  That'd be a function of the Corporate Court.
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