[PiXeL01]

You didn't have that problem with the Ingram in SR 1-3 has the gun didn't have a built-in suppressor to begin with. That's a change that came with SR4. In SR4 or SR5 its folding stock disappeared too.

A much loved gun goes through so many changes :/

[Medicineman]

You didn't have that problem with the Ingram in SR 1-3 has the gun didn't have a built-in suppressor to begin with. That's a change that came with SR4. In SR4 or SR5 its folding stock disappeared too.

A much loved gun goes through so many changes :/

The Folding stock didn't disappear in 4A ! it disapperaed in 5 (even though its still depicted WITH folding stock)
and I'm quite sure that the Ingram Smartgun had a built in Suppressor in SR3

HokaHow
Medicineman

[PiXeL01]

I haven't played 4th so sadly I wasn't sure, so sorry for that I stand corrected.
But I am sure about the Ingram Smartgun not being suppressed in Sr3. According to the English version of the core book p. 277 the SMG does not come with a suppressor but has a folding stock.
I wonder why they removed the stock. It's possibly another mistake that needs an errata!

[dfmaia]

Guys, I have just found an existing U.S. patent from 2011 that exhibits a prototype for a combined sound-supressor and gas-vent system.
Bottomline, it is possible to combine both systems.

[Whiskeyjack]

omg this necro

[KarmaInferno]

It is unfortunate that the current US Patent laws don't require submission of a product that actually WORKS.




-k

[CitizenJoe]

There are combined FLASH suppressor/muzzle brakes.  But those mask the flash from the shooter not the target, and they do nothing about the sound.  I also saw a can type suppressor that threaded on to a muzzle brake.  It had piss poor compensation performance.

[Reaver]

There is a company that submitted for and recieved a patent for an entirely plastic gun as well..... even through the weapon would EXPLODE in your hand if you tried to use it.


Patents mean almost nothing if there is not a working model. I could submit a patent for reaching the moon using step ladders. Doesn't mean you could actually get there....

[Herr Brackhaus]

To be fair, Shadowrun is a game where silenced gunshots are more Hollywood than science. I don't have any issues with a game that goes light on the science and allows gas-vents and silencers to operate together when silencers are already unrealistic. That's just me, though.

[CitizenJoe]

It isn't normally an issue because they are both barrel accessories.  However, the Smartgun X has both so things get muddied.

[Herr Brackhaus]

You can also install one of them in an internal slot and the other on the barrel. So it isn't quite that simple.

[ZombieAcePilot]

There is a company that submitted for and recieved a patent for an entirely plastic gun as well..... even through the weapon would EXPLODE in your hand if you tried to use it.


Patents mean almost nothing if there is not a working model. I could submit a patent for reaching the moon using step ladders. Doesn't mean you could actually get there....

You can make a gun out of plastic... just not in the same dimensions as a metal one. Components have to be thicker in places to make up for the difference in material strengths. Of course, this would be illegal in the US.