[Mithlas]

And I actually quite like addiction checks for people using more Focus Rating than their Magic Rating at the same time. It's one of the balancing factors in foci use, for starters. It also only kicks in at high Foci amounts AND, unless your mage constantly overdoes it, will only matter at Force 9+ in total active at the same time.

In totaled Force? That could mean that mages are only using 2 foci (F4 sustaining focus, F3 spellcasting/power focus topping what a Magic 7 individual can handle without addiction tests) at once. Or are you talking about only N foci active at a time, where N <= Logic?

[MortimerBane]

Don't listen to these guys... The big difference is that...

Hermetics like pie while,

Shamanics prefer cookies!

That is all.

[Michael Chandra]

And I actually quite like addiction checks for people using more Focus Rating than their Magic Rating at the same time. It's one of the balancing factors in foci use, for starters. It also only kicks in at high Foci amounts AND, unless your mage constantly overdoes it, will only matter at Force 9+ in total active at the same time.

In totaled Force? That could mean that mages are only using 2 foci (F4 sustaining focus, F3 spellcasting/power focus topping what a Magic 7 individual can handle without addiction tests) at once. Or are you talking about only N foci active at a time, where N <= Logic?

In Totaled Force, which makes Power Foci and Quickening quite interesting choices. It's almost-explicit in the rules.

[RHat]

And I actually quite like addiction checks for people using more Focus Rating than their Magic Rating at the same time. It's one of the balancing factors in foci use, for starters. It also only kicks in at high Foci amounts AND, unless your mage constantly overdoes it, will only matter at Force 9+ in total active at the same time.

In totaled Force? That could mean that mages are only using 2 foci (F4 sustaining focus, F3 spellcasting/power focus topping what a Magic 7 individual can handle without addiction tests) at once. Or are you talking about only N foci active at a time, where N <= Logic?

It's totaled Force.  And in SR5, how many foci you can have active at once is instead based upon Magic.

Would be good to get Logic back into the equation somehow; perhaps it should be Logic+Magic total Force before addiction sets in, with Logic acting as a bonus to the Addiction test?

[ZeConster]

And I actually quite like addiction checks for people using more Focus Rating than their Magic Rating at the same time. It's one of the balancing factors in foci use, for starters. It also only kicks in at high Foci amounts AND, unless your mage constantly overdoes it, will only matter at Force 9+ in total active at the same time.

In totaled Force? That could mean that mages are only using 2 foci (F4 sustaining focus, F3 spellcasting/power focus topping what a Magic 7 individual can handle without addiction tests) at once. Or are you talking about only N foci active at a time, where N <= Logic?

You're making some leaps I don't quite follow, I'm afraid. Why would they specifically use an F4 sustaining focus and an F3 spellcasting/power focus? There's lots of other foci combinations they could use.
And no, it's not about the number of foci, but about the total Force of the foci you have active, just like in the Addiction Test table:

Typically, it’s not a danger as long as the total Force of your active foci isn’t greater than your Magic rating.

Substance	Addiction Rating	Addiction Threshold
Focus Addiction	total Force of all active foci	2

[Mithlas]

I've got to use something for an example. I'm aware the limiter is Magic in 5E, I was thinking 4E at the time. Regardless, I do prefer the inclusion of Logic in 4E.

[ProfessorCirno]

Having Logic be related to something Magic based would be nice.  I think the idea was for it to be tied to skills, but it doesn't really work out all that amazingly well.

[firebug]

Logic should be beneficial to one of the three skillgroups.  As is, Shamans are naturally inclined towards spirits (from having a higher bound cap, and even just in flavor).  Charisma is usually the "spiritual tradition" stat.  I'd like them to make Logic the alchemy/formulae/enchanting one, as it would fit with the flavor well, then I dunno.  Have Intuition be best fitted to spellcasting and ritual spellcasting.  It's actually already what you use to decrease the time needed to learn new spells.

Logic is currently used for Arcana, or at least that's how it's listed, but that doesn't seem to actually be the case.  Making foci formulae uses MAG, and I don't think 5th has rules for making spells or anything with spirit formulae.

[Reaver]

Not currently no.

But back in 2 and 3e there was all sorts of stuff you could do with a spirit formula....

We might see that return.

[Blackwatch]

Be glad it ain't a cute little Tibetan Mastiff pup, because those turn into this:

http://imgur.com/4K61Z1S

Gorgeous creatures... and I'd love to own one... though I would HATE cleaning up all the shedding... holy bajebus my vacuum cleaner would commit suicide. It's already threatening to leave me and my pup is a short-hair mixed breed.

[Tarislar]

Hermetic - Logic based Magicians are useful for a few roles I've found.

1.  Doctor
2.  Back up Decker
3.  Troll

But yeah, as a whole, none of that is as common is the whole Shaman/Face/Elf combo.

[RHat]

Hermetic - Logic based Magicians are useful for a few roles I've found.

1.  Doctor
2.  Back up Decker
3.  Troll

But yeah, as a whole, none of that is as common is the whole Shaman/Face/Elf combo.

Another option:  Drone rigger.

[Csjarrat]

Hermetic - Logic based Magicians are useful for a few roles I've found.

1.  Doctor
2.  Back up Decker
3.  Troll

But yeah, as a whole, none of that is as common is the whole Shaman/Face/Elf combo.

Another option:  Drone rigger.

that'd be interesting. finding the cash for that might be tight at chargen though

[Tenlaar]

I've played around with a rigger/alchemist idea a while back, I should revisit it now that I have a better grasp on character creation. A rigger with a couple of drones carrying preparations for physical barrier, ice sheet, a mana based stack spell or two, maybe a converted Fix...

[Tarislar]

Another option:  Drone rigger.

I freely admit I'm not up on my rigging, but, wouldn't the essence cost for a VCR be bad for a magician ?