[Michael Chandra]

Killing off Harly actively sounds like you're mary-sueing yourself as GM. It sounds more arrogant than a mary sue player or mary sue gmpc.

[Furious Trope]

Killing off Harly actively sounds like you're mary-sueing yourself as GM. It sounds more arrogant than a mary sue player or mary sue gmpc.

If you want to think of it (or me) that way, sure.

From where I'm sitting, it's just a Great Dragon reminding a few dozen specific people that he keeps his promises.

[Mirikon]

Killing one elf won't show how he's keeping promises. Burning Aztlan back out of Denver will show he's keeping promises, and leave a more lasting impression.

[Michael Chandra]

Killing off Harly actively sounds like you're mary-sueing yourself as GM. It sounds more arrogant than a mary sue player or mary sue gmpc.

If you want to think of it (or me) that way, sure.

From where I'm sitting, it's just a Great Dragon reminding a few dozen specific people that he keeps his promises.

Really? Was it really just that? Was this act really necessary, really logical? Or did you do it because you despise Harlequin and wanted to make a gesture to yourself and your players that you're the one in control of the metaplot, official metaplot be damned? The way you continously bring up how you had him offed, it really sounds like you're making yourself the real mary sue here.

Besides, did Ghostwalker really make a promise to kill Harlequin? Because that's NOT how things read to me, he seemed to actually regret the hasted conclusion Harly made. Heck, he might have decided not to kill Harlequin partially as a gesture towards Aina for causing what happened to her, and maybe so she won't make a fuss against him in the future.

[Sichr]

Yeah I can't buy that unless your home game character is ridiculously overpowered.

I did what any respectable GM would do: Sic a dragon on him.

Specifically, the big angry one he fucked over who promised to get bloody, bloody revenge on all those who crossed him no matter how lightly they may have done so.

After, of course, using his guilt to rebuild GW's drake forces and running interference while Ghostwalker turned one of those uber shadow spirits into magic-WMDs. Even immortal elves get tired guarding an open planar gate to an insect spirit metaplane.

Harlequin is self-indulgent enough he probably understood the "double-cross" was coming the entire time. Keeping Harly alive post-stormfront seems like a premise thread to me. So I ended the threat.

I applaud to this solution. After he was quite easily manipulated...at the dawn of the new age, when magical threats are "low-level" in comparsion to what he must have survied in the past...into destructive furry, loosing controll, he should be either eliminated as a threat or dealt with the same way the Shirrug was...locked away and stripped from his power. I prefere the first.

[Senko]

As I said at that level the death a.d removal of any of the players will have major repurcusions and I imagine ghostwalker isn't going to do anythinf soon. Nit least because doing so would risk reignitinfmg several wars.

[Mirikon]

Besides, did Ghostwalker really make a promise to kill Harlequin? Because that's NOT how things read to me, he seemed to actually regret the hasted conclusion Harly made. Heck, he might have decided not to kill Harlequin partially as a gesture towards Aina for causing what happened to her, and maybe so she won't make a fuss against him in the future.

I read it the same way. Ghostwalker's address after his fight with Harlequin reads to me like he's going to do things the slow, painful way. If he wants to make his enemies suffer, then simply killing them is not going to do much. There will be a reckoning between Ghostwalker and Harlequin (and Aztechnology), but I don't think it will be ultraviolent in nature.

[Sichr]

IMO in GW/ Harley/ AZT Harley would possibly go against AZT. After he woke up from his posession, he seemed to realize that he handed over some major mojo secret to Smoking Mirror and would try to fix that. If he wpuld be able to recover quickly. Like I said before, IMO he was possessed/manipulated (Bogota bllodbath infused Compulsion power or something like that used by Maelstrom or Oblivion) and he realizes that at the end of Denver standoff. He may need some time to reconcile with himself

[Mirikon]

Harlequin was almost certainly possessed/manipulated, but not by Maelstrom or Oblivion. It was a mad Passion, what the spirits now call the Jester Spirit. Back in ED times, the Passions were basically uber-spirits that some people worshipped not unlike gods, or followed like mentor spirits.

[Sichr]

I know. But the rising influence of those two entities and Harlequins madness...I don`t believe in coincidences. I dont know if they are another parts of Primeira Vaga, possibly manipulating the whole chain of events from the beginning of Tempo, or they just took advantage of the mayhem caused by the war...in fact, not just the War, but also Clutch of dragons seem to happen in this Maelstrom of events, world spinning faster and faster into the Oblivion,,,this seems like pretty good plan

[SlowDeck]

There's this talk about someone being out of their mind, and then there's CFD. The way Harlequin was acting... is it possible that, in addition to the spirit possessing him, he's got CFD and what we saw in Denver was a manifestation of it?

Some people would ask why a CFD patient would go after a dragon. Well, there is this dragon that is ripping apart Matrix entities...

[RulezLawyerZ]

Or did you do it because you despise Harlequin and wanted to make a gesture to yourself and your players that you're the one in control of the metaplot, official metaplot be damned?

Um, he's the GM. As far as his game is concerned, he is the one in control of the metaplot, and his metaplot is the official one. That's always been the best part of Shadowrun sourcebooks; the represent the common perception of the world, not the truth of it.

[Mirikon]

I know. But the rising influence of those two entities and Harlequins madness...I don`t believe in coincidences. I dont know if they are another parts of Primeira Vaga, possibly manipulating the whole chain of events from the beginning of Tempo, or they just took advantage of the mayhem caused by the war...in fact, not just the War, but also Clutch of dragons seem to happen in this Maelstrom of events, world spinning faster and faster into the Oblivion,,,this seems like pretty good plan

Well, those two were hanging around Bogota long before the war started. Divided city where the two sides hate eachother, and there's no real government to speak of, where everything's basically feral? Prime grounds for a Shadow to gain strength all on their own. Whether they had anything to do with Tempo or not is unclear, but even as basic opportunists, there's plenty in Bogota to give them a power boost and help them grow to the levels they're at.

There's this talk about someone being out of their mind, and then there's CFD. The way Harlequin was acting... is it possible that, in addition to the spirit possessing him, he's got CFD and what we saw in Denver was a manifestation of it?

Some people would ask why a CFD patient would go after a dragon. Well, there is this dragon that is ripping apart Matrix entities...

No, I don't think so. Harlequin has always been a bit crazy. I don't think this is anything more than what one man will do in a drive to get vengeance for the woman he loved. He was full of righteous anger and there wasn't anyone who was going to stop him until he got some sense smacked into him.

[martinchaen]

There's this talk about someone being out of their mind, and then there's CFD. The way Harlequin was acting... is it possible that, in addition to the spirit possessing him, he's got CFD and what we saw in Denver was a manifestation of it?

Some people would ask why a CFD patient would go after a dragon. Well, there is this dragon that is ripping apart Matrix entities...

Except Harlequin would probably know that that Dragon is Celedyr (and his pet electronic intelligence Cerberus/Eliohann).

I honestly don't think Harlequin is infected. He's just his crazy old self.

[SlowDeck]

He could have tried for something a little less literal than how sense was smacked into him, but then he probably wouldn't be Harlequin.

Good point on Celedyr... Hrm. Well, there goes one awesome theory about CFD. Though, this means there's also not multiple copies of Harlequin running around.