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AJCarrington

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« on: <07-12-14/1557:15> »
Just received an email from DTRPG that the core rulebool PDF has been updated. Anyone have any insight as to changes/nature of updates? Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: <07-12-14/1742:34> »

Nope, but there's the blog entry on the catalyst page that says,

"And second, a fully corrected PDF—folding in all official errata-to-date—for Shadowrun, Fifth Edition has just been released. (For those who already purchased that item, you should be receiving a notification via email to download that new PDF.)"

Not sure if that means just the official errata that we have seen so far, or whether some other fixes/updates will be in there too.

Though BattleShop hasn't sent me an update email yet, which makes me sad.

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« Reply #2 on: <07-12-14/1750:09> »
So far all the changes listed in the 5th Ed Errata are in the revised version.

As for other changes, have not seen any, but will have to go through the errata submitted here and then flip back and forth with the new version to see if they integrated anything else.
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« Reply #3 on: <07-12-14/1751:01> »
A quick check of the one thing I know was missing: Drone autosofts have a price now! Rating*2 Avail, Rating*500 price. They're on the table on page 442, under the Agents. Interestingly, they don't have a maximum rating listed. Not sure if that's an error or if Autosofts are supposed to be able to go up to 12 like skills now.

I can't remember what the other errors were off the top of my head, so I'll have to do more digging to see what the book changed

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« Reply #4 on: <07-12-14/1848:29> »
Thanks guys...hadn't seen the blog post.

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« Reply #5 on: <07-13-14/0625:22> »
I don't suppose the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors got fixed?

And just when I got used to where the book sat on my iPad list! Lol

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« Reply #6 on: <07-13-14/1708:54> »
I don't suppose the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors got fixed?
Some of them did. On page 1 WorldWatch has been replaced by WordWatch.

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« Reply #7 on: <07-14-14/0438:02> »
Shadowrun slang gets bumped from page 15 up to page 8.

Here is a fun update:

Quote from:  ORIGINAL 5th Ed Pg 433
Tripod: The tripod provides a stable base to fire a weapon low to the ground with the user kneeling or sit- ting. A tripod can be attached to the underbarrel mount and provides 6 points of Recoil Compensation when properly deployed. Attaching a tripod takes one minute. Folding up or deploying a tripod is a Complex Action, as is removing it. Wireless: Folding up, deploying, or removing the tripod is a Free Action.

Quote from: NEW REVISED 5th Ed Pg 433
Tripod: The tripod provides a stable base to fire a weapon low to the ground with the user kneeling or sitting. A tripod can be attached to the underbarrel mount and provides 6 points of Recoil Compensation when properly deployed. Attaching a tripod takes one minute. Folding up or deploying the bipod is a Free Action. Wireless: Folding up, deploying, or removing the tripod is a Free Action.

Emphasis mine.

So Folding up or deploying the tripod becomes a free action, so you don't need wireless for this bit since the bonus is the same. 
The only advantage from going wireless in regards to the tripod is removing becomes a free action (some kind of auto-release/eject I suppose), but now it doesn't tell you how long it takes to remove without wireless on(which is still a complex action I assume).

Edit:  Nath just pointed this out. It goes from being a tripod in original to a bipod in the revised version when talking about folding/deploying, maybe wireless is needed to deploy the third leg of a tripod?

 Minor but it is funny the correction already needs a correction. :P
« Last Edit: <07-14-14/0610:34> by Sendaz »
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« Reply #8 on: <07-14-14/0932:07> »
Seconded on the grammar; so far I've spotted a few misplaced words that have been corrected, not sure how extensive this is.

I did notice one rule change that didn't make it into the errata document apparently was in the errata afterall:
P134; Climbing Table
Assisted climbing down (rappelling) went from "2 meters" to "20 meters + 1 meter per hit". That makes a LOT more sense, even if it was written out in the Rappelling text previously :)

Unfortunately, the weird wording of Magical Skills from the Errata has been inserted;
P142, Magical Skills
Magic skills are reserved for those who practice magic. In order to acquire magic-specific skills, characters must be an Aspected Magician, Magician, or Mystic Adept. In order to use these skills, their Magic rating must be 1 or higher. Please visit Magic, p. 276, for all your Magical skill-using needs.

So, does that mean Adepts can't take Arcana? I mean, really?

EDIT:
Seeing as how the Gunnery rules were apparently updated as per the errata, I'm going to go ahead and call Aaron's reading of the remote operations part invalid; he referred to it as "probably a typo" or some such, but since manual gunnery has been updated to Gunnery + Agility instead of Weapon Skill + Agility, while remote gunner remains Gunnery + Logic, it's a safe bet that it actually IS Gunnery + Logic for remote operations of vehicle weapons. Yay, one thing Riggers have got going for them...
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« Reply #9 on: <07-14-14/1100:46> »
It's funny because even mundanes are supposed to be able to take Arcana as Magical Theory. It's a university course according to Street Grimoire
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« Reply #10 on: <07-14-14/1255:25> »
Yeah, I don't see why magical theory can't be taught to mundanes. (As an academic skill)

Plenty of real science is founded on things that we can't directly observe ourselves but someone else can test or has tested.

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« Reply #11 on: <07-14-14/1525:46> »
Arcana isn't a 'magic-specific' skill, however.  You don't need magic to do it.  Astral Combat and Assensing is still debatable, however, which is a problem for adepts who want to, you know, astrally perceive or do things with it.  Of course, you could also look at it with the viewpoint of 'what attribute do you roll it with?'  If it's magic, it's a magic-specific skill, if not, others can pick it up.
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« Reply #12 on: <07-14-14/1611:10> »
MijRai
I agree with you in principle, but unfortunately, those three skills are listed under the Magic Skills section. If only they had written "In order to acquire skills linked to the Magic attribute", this could easily have been avoided, and this was hotly debated during the official errata discussion so I doubt they'd be unaware of this particular artifact.

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« Reply #13 on: <07-14-14/1642:56> »
And as the quoted text mentions, it's magic-specific skills, not skills in the Magic section.  It's word-lawyer-ish, but still a possibility.  It's a murky subject, for sure, but in another other discussion, the writer of that comment did specify what he meant (a bit late, but still a very useful clarification).

http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=14800.45
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« Reply #14 on: <07-14-14/1724:19> »
SR5 PDF v1 vs. v2

I've gone through the new PDF, and this is what I've found changed:

P1
Replaced:
WorldWide WorldWatch
With:
WorldWide Wordwatch

P4, Table of Contents, column 3
Replaced:
The Danger of Sider Jobs
With:
The Danger of Side Jobs

P7 Playtesting added:
Jason Bertsche, Kyle Johntz Connor, Daniel Dunchack, Christian Hayes, Ken’ Horner, Thomas J. Howell, Richard Ingram, Ilya Medvedev

P8-13 moved to P10-15 (affects TOC which is not corrected)

P14-15 moved to P8-9 (affects TOC which is not corrected)

P44, The Gamemaster & You, sentence 2
Replaced:
At the gaming table, the gamemaster sets up and advances the story, governs the actions of the non-player characters, and determine the results of tests and other rules-related matters.
With:
At the gaming table, the gamemaster sets up and advances the story, governs the actions of the non-player characters, and determines the results of tests and other rules-related matters.

P48, Extended Tests, paragraph 2, last sentence
Replaced:
The Task Difficulty Threshold table provides some suggestions on thresholds for Extended tests, while the Extended Test Difficulties can help gamemasters choose the proper interval.
With:
The Extended Test Thresholds table provides some suggestions on thresholds for Extended tests, while the Extended Test Intervals table can help gamemasters choose the proper interval.

P62, Tips for Character Creation, last sentence:
Replaced:
It is helpful to have an idea of what you want to play and what you what your character to do before getting together for a home game of Shadowrun.
With:
It is helpful to have an idea of what you want to play and what you want your character to do before getting together for a home game of Shadowrun.

P65, Metatype & Special Attributes:
Replaced:
Trolls receive Thermographic Vision, +1 Reach, and Dermal Armor, but they also receive the disadvantage of having to pay an additional fifty percent for gear because everything—including cyberware and bioware—must be specially modified to meet their massive physical requirements.
With:
Trolls receive Thermographic Vision, +1 Reach, and Dermal Armor, but they also have the disadvantage of having their Lifestyle costs doubled to reflect the costs of adapting everything they use—especially their gear, including cyberware or bioware—to meet their massive physical requirements.

P66, Metatype Attribute Table, Dwarf
Added:
Thermographic Vision

P69, Magic User Types, Mystic Adepts, sentence 5
Replaced:
Mystic adepts must purchase their Power Points with Karma (2 Karma each at character creation for a full Power Point, with a maximum number of points equal to their Magic attribute rating).
With:
Mystic adepts must purchase their Power Points with Karma (5 Karma each at character creation for a full Power Point, with a maximum number of points equal to their Magic attribute rating).

P70, Kyra, paragraph 2, sentence 2
Replaced:
Kyra decides to spend 10 Karma from her Karma fund to purchase 5 Power Points.
With:
Kyra decides to spend 10 Karma from her Karma fund to purchase 2 Power Points.

P70, Kyra, Special Attributes (so far)
Added:
Magic — 0 6

P70, Kyra, Adept Powers
Replaced:
Combat Sense (2 levels) 1
Enhanced Accuracy (Skill) .25
Improved Ability (Skill) .5
Improved Potential (Social) 1
Mystic Armor (3 levels) 1.5
Voice Control (3 levels) .75
With:
Enhanced Accuracy (Skill) .25
Improved ability (skill) .5
Improved Potential (social) .5
Mystic Armor (1 Level) .5
Voice Control (1 level) .25

P68-71, Choose Magic or Resonance, paragraph 4, sentence 2
Replaced:
Mystic adepts must purchase Power Points using Karma at the cost 2 Karma per full Power Point.
With:
Mystic adepts must purchase Power Points using Karma at the cost 5 Karma per full Power Point.

P72, Exceptional Attribute, sentence 1
Replaced:
The Exceptional Atribute quality is how you get to be the charismatic troll, or the agile dwarf.
With:
The Exceptional Attribute quality is how you get to be the charismatic troll, or the agile dwarf.

P82, Insomnia (cont'), paragraph 2, sentence 3
Replaced:
He also regains his Edge after 8 hours of restful sleep.
With:
He also regains 1 point of Edge after 8 hours of restful sleep.

P82, Loss of Confidence, sentence 2
Replaced:
Though a skilled decker, he failed to hack into a Stuffer Shack grid, or despite high Agility, he glitched an easy Climbing Test and fell into a dumpster—whatever the reason, he now doubts himself and his abilities.
With:
Though a skilled decker, he failed to hack into a Stuffer Shack host, or despite high Agility, he glitched an easy Climbing Test and fell into a dumpster—whatever the reason, he now doubts himself and his abilities.

P86, Kyra, sentence 3
Replaced:
In step 2, she decided to spend 10 Karma purchasing 5 Power Points for adept powers.
With:
In step 2, she decided to spend 10 Karma purchasing 2 Power Points for adept powers.

P86, Kyra, Table
Replaced:
Adept Power Points (5) –10
With:
Adept Power Points (2) –10

P90, Skill Groups & Individual Skills, Agility
Removed:
Herding & Lockpicking

P91, Example, Knowledge Skills:
Replaced:
Matrix Security Measures (IC) (Interests) 2
With:
Matrix Security Measures (Interests) 2

P92, Example cont., Rob, paragraph 2, sentence 2
Replaced:
For his Knowledge skills, Rob takes Bismarck City Knowledge, UCAS Military Regulations, UCAS Knowledge, Fixers, and Runner Hangouts.
With:
For his Knowledge skills, Rob takes Bismarck City Knowledge, Street Clinics, UCAS Military Regulations, Fixers, and Runner Hangouts.

P92, Kyra, Table
Replaced:
Adept powers Cost
Combat Sense (2 levels) 1
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) 0.25
Improved Ability (Pistols) 0.5
Improved Potential (Social) 1
Mystic Armor (3 levels) 1.5
Voice Control (3 levels) 0.75
With:
Adept powers Cost
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) .25
Improved ability (Pistols) .5
Improved Potential (Social) .5
Mystic Armor (1 level) .5
Voice Control (1 level) .25

P94, Step Six, Paragraph 3
Replaced:
When a character factors in racial modifiers for gear costs (trolls have a 50 percent gear and Lifestyle cost increase, dwarfs have a 10 percent increase in gear costs), the player may choose to increase the cost for each item picked up at that time to help them track how much they’ve spent and how much nuyen they have left. Alternately, they may choose to purchase all the gear at the base cost, arrive at a subtotal, and then add in the appropriate cost modifier (10 or 50 percent) to get the final total.
With:
If the player finds that he or she has more than the 5,000 nuyen that can be saved (or even if he or she hasn’t), there are a few essential pieces of gear to consider when building a shadowrunner. You’ll want a commlink (p. 438) to stay in touch and to keep your gear relatively safe from hackers. A fake SIN (p. 442), along with some fake licenses, will help smooth dealing with law enforcement or even simple purchases like buying a bus ticket or covering a bar tab. For more ideas, see the Gear Checklist sidebar.

P98, Additional Purchases & Restrictions
Replaced:
Registering Spirits
With:
Registering Sprites

P105, Character Advancement (con't), paragraph 4, sentence 3
Replaced:
Note that you can’t improve Physical skills or Mental attributes during the same downtime period when you receive implants or augmentations that improve those same attributes.
With:
Note that you can’t improve Physical or Mental attributes during the same downtime period when you receive implants or augmentations that improve those same attributes.

P105, Character Advancement (con't), paragraph 5, sentence 5
Replaced:
Skill groups are improved at a rate of [new Rating] x 1 month.
With:
Skill groups are improved at a rate of [new Rating] x 2 weeks.

P110, Kyra, Adept Powers or Other Abilities
Replaced:
Combat Sense (2 levels) 1
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) .25
Improved Ability (Pistols) .5
Improved Potential (Social) 1
Mystic Armor (3 levels) 1.5
Voice Control (3 levels) .75
Water Spirit (3 services) 6 Force
Beast Spirit (3 services) 6 Force
With:
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) .25
Improved Ability (Pistols) .5
Improved Potential (Social) .5
Mystic Armor (1 level) .5
Voice Control (1 level) .25
Water Spirit (3 services) 6 Force
Beast Spirit (3 services) 6 Force

P112, Street Samurai, Contacts
Added:
Fixer (Connection 4, Loyalty 2)

P115, Street Shaman, Limits
Replaced:
Social 7
With:
Social 8

P116, Combat Mage, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 6
With:
Physical 5

P116, Combat Mage, Qualities
Replaced:
Distinctive Style
With:
Distinctive Style (Troll Poser)

P116, Combat Mage, Spells
Replaced:
Mass Confusion
With:
Physical Mask

P118, Weapons Specialist, Limits
Replaced:
Social 4
With:
Social 5

P119, Face, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 3, Mental 5
With:
Physical 4, Mental 6

P120, Tank, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 10
With:
Physical 9 (11)

P121, Decker, Limits
Replaced:
Mental 6 (7)
With:
Mental 7

P124, Drone Rigger, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 6, Mental 5
With:
Physical 5 (6), Mental 6

P126, Sprawl Ganger, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 8, Mental 4, Social 5
With:
Physical 9, Mental 5, Social 6

P127, Bounty Hunter, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 7, Mental 4, Social 4
With:
Physical 9, Mental 4, Social 5

P128, Using Skills, Sentence 1:
Replaced:
Having skills means you can things get done.
With:
Having skills means you can get things done.

P134, Climbing Table:
Replaced:
Assisted climbing down (rappelling) 2 meters
With:
Assisted climbing down (rappelling) 20 meters + 1 meter per hit

P140, Example, paragraph 1, sentence 6:
Replaced:
Besides, the ganger is so hostile (–4 dice) that she might not even take the time to listen.
With:
Besides, the ganger is so hostile (–3 dice) that she might not even take the time to listen.

P141, Social Skill Tests
Replaced:
Intimidation + Charisma [Social] Intimidation + Willpower [Social]
With:
Intimidation + Charisma [Social] Charisma + Willpower

P142, Magical Skills, sentence 2-3
Replaced:
In order to acquire magic-specific skills, characters must have a quality that provides a Magic rating. In order to use these skills, that Magic rating must be 1 or higher.
With:
In order to acquire magic-specific skills, characters must be an Aspected Magician, Magician, or Mystic Adept. In order to use these skills, their Magic rating must be 1 or higher.

P153, Skills Groups, Biotech
Added:
Biotechnology

P158, 1. Roll Initiative, sentence 2:
Replaced:
The order in which things happen during the Action Phase is determined by Initiative Scores, going from highest first to lowest last.
With:
The order in which things happen during the Combat Turn is determined by Initiative Scores, going from highest first to lowest last.

P162, Example, paragraph 2, sentence 2:
Replaced:
On his next Initiative Phase Wombat can only move 2 meters before he is considered Running.
With:
On his next Action Phase Wombat can only move 2 meters before he is considered Running.

P168, Block, last sentence
Removed:
Bonus die, such as die from a relevant weapon foci, can be added to this test.

P168, Parry, last sentence
Added:
Bonus die, such as die from a relevant weapon foci, can be added to this test.

P169, Example, paragraph 1, sentence 2-3
Replaced:
He throws on some Actioneer Business Clothes (Armor cool.gif and then pulls on his Urban Explorer jumpsuit (Armor 10). For resistance tests he uses only the Armor 10 from the jumpsuit.
With:
He throws on some Actioneer Business Clothes (Armor cool.gif and then pulls on his Urban Explorer jumpsuit (Armor 9). For resistance tests he uses only the Armor 9 from the jumpsuit.

P170, Example, paragraph 3, sentence 2
Replaced:
Pauly has 6 empty boxes in his Physical Condition Monitor so he fills in all those and takes the remaining 2 as overflow.
With:
Pauly has 6 empty boxes in his Physical Condition Monitor so he fills in all those and takes the remaining 3 as overflow.

P171, Fire Armor Penetration
Replaced:
Fire-based spells spell Force
With:
Fire-based spells –spell Force

P172, Example, Paragraph 3, first sentence
Added:
The next Combat Turn begins, and the fire’s DV increases to 4P.

P172, Example, paragraph 3, sentence 2 (now sentence 3)
Replaced:
The gamemaster calls it a Complex Action with a Drop Prone free action and asks for an Agility roll modified by his wounds.
With:
The gamemaster calls it a Complex Action with a Drop Prone free action and asks for an Agility + Intuition roll modified by his wounds.

P172, Example, paragraph 5
Replaced:
At the end of this Combat Turn Wombat faces 2P damage again and needs to think fast if about how he’s going to get this fire out.
With:
At the end of this Combat Turn Wombat faces 3P damage again and needs to think fast about how he’s going to get this fire out.

P174, Example, Ranged Attack, paragraph 6, sentence 3
Replaced:
Since the modified Armor rating is greater than the modified Damage Value the attacks damage code changes from Physical to Stun (8P to 8S).
With:
Since the modified Armor rating is greater than the modified Damage Value the attack’s damage code changes from Physical to Stun (10P to 10S).

P175, Progressive Recoil, paragraph 1, sentence 2
Replaced:
Recoil penalties are cumulative over every Action Phase and Combat Turn unless the character takes, or is forced into, an action other than shooting for an entire Action Phase.
With:
Recoil penalties are cumulative over every Action Phase and Combat Turn unless the character takes, or is forced into, a Simple or Complex Action other than shooting.

P179, Example, paragraph 2, sentence 1
Replaced:
Wombat takes a Complex Action and makes an Assault Rifles 4 + Agility 6 Test with the Accuracy of Wombat’s weapon as the limit, which in this case is 5.
With:
Wombat takes a Complex Action and makes and Automatics 4 + Agility 6 Test with the Accuracy of Wombat’s weapon as the limit, which in this case is 5.

P183, Gunnery, sentence 2
Replaced:
Vehicle-mounted weapons are fired using Weapon Skill + Agility [Accuracy] for manual operation, like door guns on mounts, or Gunnery + Logic [Accuracy] for remote operated systems.
With:
Vehicle-mounted weapons are fired using Gunnery + Agility [Accuracy] for manual operation, like door guns on mounts, or Gunnery + Logic [Accuracy] for remote operated systems.

P184, Sensor Defense Table
Replaced:
Drone Pilot + [Model] Stealth [Handling]
With:
Drone Pilot + [Model] Evasion [Handling]

P196, Multiple Attacks, paragraph 2
Replaced:
Edge spent on this test adds into the pool before it is divided.
With:
Dice gained by spending Edge applies before the pool is split, while dice from both pools can be re-rolled with a single use of Edge.

P198, Damaging A Barrier, paragraph 4, sentence 5
Replaced:
He hits the door with 10 boxes (11 total, thanks to the hit from the bullets), and the gamemaster declares the center of the door is gone, leaving just the top and bottom attached to the hinges.
With:
He hits the door with 10 boxes (14 total, thanks to the hit from the bullets), and the gamemaster declares the center of the door is gone, leaving just the top and bottom attached to the hinges.



 

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