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In YOUR opinion, what's the cut for the doc?

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« Reply #15 on: <07-19-14/2253:37> »
How much is the cut for the doc? Let's see...

How much can they trust said doc to not kill them and sell their organs if underpaid?

Or, more to the point, how does their negotiation skill compare with the doc's?

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« Reply #16 on: <07-20-14/0002:22> »
How much is the cut for the doc? Let's see...

How much can they trust said doc to not kill them and sell their organs if underpaid?

Or, more to the point, how does their negotiation skill compare with the doc's?

That...  Doesn't really help with the question, because the assumption off the top here is that the doc's cut is already part of the  'ware prices, rather than being negotiated on the side.
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« Reply #17 on: <07-20-14/0042:45> »
How much is the cut for the doc? Let's see...

How much can they trust said doc to not kill them and sell their organs if underpaid?

Or, more to the point, how does their negotiation skill compare with the doc's?

That...  Doesn't really help with the question, because the assumption off the top here is that the doc's cut is already part of the  'ware prices, rather than being negotiated on the side.

If they were getting the installation at a legitimate facility, I suppose.

Otherwise, why the hell would I assume that?

They're Shadowrunners. Illegal. The ability to find a street doc who has both the ability and supplies to do it AND the ability to actually trust that person to not cut you apart for spare parts because they happen to be feeling like you've underpaid them shouldn't be so easy - at least to my mind.

The player who is the decker for my group decided (after being squeamish about the concept of cyberware in his head during creation) to finally get a datajack to help him out. He had very low charisma, and thus just had a fixer (given) and a Mafia Lieutenant (purchased) in his contacts.
He had to get it through the Street Samurai, who only had the doc at one loyalty. He decided to pay double. It not only got his datajack installed safely, it got him the doc as a contact with 2 loyalty.
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« Reply #18 on: <07-20-14/0113:44> »
That...  Doesn't really help with the question, because the assumption off the top here is that the doc's cut is already part of the  'ware prices, rather than being negotiated on the side.
If they were getting the installation at a legitimate facility, I suppose.

Otherwise, why the hell would I assume that?

Because that was the question asked at the get-go?

A basic cyber-whatever costs, lets say 100,000ny.
How much of that 100,000 is is actual cost of the chrome and how much is the fee the doc charges for surgery, drugs, etc?

Your negotiation and all will play a part in getting the gear at all, or at your standard prices - or even at your over-the-top 400% prices.  In previous editions, you had to pay a base amount equivalent to the gear price multiplied by the Street Index, which I really did like; in certain areas, certain things were especially difficult to get, or some things were just very, very expensive to acquire illegally.

Saying 'how much do you trust the doc/how good is your negotiation' is also a null question in part because the reason for the question has to do with 'half-off service fees', and Poindexter is trying to determine how much of standard chrome prices IS that 'service fee'.  Other posters are curious because it's their own characters that are getting that amount.  So again, your response is a non-response, because we're talking hard numbers, not 'who do you trust cutting up your head, baby, who do you trust?'
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« Reply #19 on: <07-20-14/0129:26> »
Fine. Forget it. I was never involved in this discussion that I failed to understand.

My apologies.

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« Reply #20 on: <07-20-14/0133:25> »
Otherwise, why the hell would I assume that?

Because (a) that's the premise of the thread, and (b) anything else horrifically screws over tech-centric characters?

Oh, and finding someone to do the install without screwing you over?  Part of the damn availability test, which is where that whole "paying double" thing would have come in.

And the prices we have are the base prices for shadowrunners to get ahold of it (because, you know, the book assumes Shadowrun players playing shadowrunners), so it makes no sense to then add a "runner tax" on top of that...
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