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So, whatever happened with Denairastas from Earthdawn?

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« Reply #15 on: <09-19-14/0035:16> »
Email me. I forgot your idea.


I like keeping the idea out there as a red herring. I also prefer it to the origin story that never made it into Loose Alliances, mainly because that raises more questions than it answers (Not that I'm against it, but ... Meh).
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« Reply #16 on: <09-19-14/0116:07> »
Not mine - Peter Taylor's.  Here's your post in which you re-post what he'd posted but never got to get into Loose Alliances...
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« Reply #17 on: <09-19-14/0129:27> »
Yeah. I meant the last line where you said "I like mine."

Besides, we haven't chatted in a while.

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« Reply #18 on: <09-19-14/0133:57> »
Naaw, just about Denairastas.  I prefer my line of thought: "I'm a moron, I violated the rules of my society, so they banished me.  So I'm gonna do MORE stuff that violates those rules.  I mean, I'm banished, so I can get away with it, right??"  Not.  Out come the nukings and the bloodline-killing magics and suchlike.  He had what, another 1500 years to screw up?  Had to happen at some point.

Besides, not everything super-magical has to be in a direct line of descent from some great ancient 4th World event/person/whatever.  :P  :)
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« Reply #19 on: <09-19-14/0148:46> »
True story! As cool as it is to have ties to a mythic history, it would be incredibly depressing if no significant innovations have occurred since the 4th world. I like to think that (meta)humanity's got some spark to it.

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« Reply #20 on: <09-19-14/0451:46> »
Indeed.

I think it's appealing because it does looks like a perfectly reasonable connection to make between The Outcast and the Black Lodge. Especially compared to say, forming a new kingdom in Oregon.

CT and Clutch only began to touch on some things that also seem interesting in the bigger picture, such as how fucking aggravating would it be to deal with a lizard people conspiracy theorist when it turns out, oh, dragons are real? Like, there have to be enough artifacts and legends and just the law of averages striking once again that even downcycle hunters didn't necessarily have to be immortals with personal grudges like Aithne Oakforest, but people who realized that this shit was real and we cannot let these things come back.

Another thing is that clearly dragons and specifically Great Dragons have gotten more powerful since the Awakening. On one hand, Lofwyr has been kept in relative check ever since he dumped enough gold on the market to sink the price per ounce and still buy BMW, but Dunkelzahn owned a crazy amount of stuff no one even realized, and physically Aztechnology threw virtually every weapon in their arsenal at Sirrurg and he's still alive.

But the corps, especially but not exclusively Aztechnology being the biggest threat, may or may not have something that was beyond the scope of metahuman and draconic knowledge in the Fourth World: The DNA of immortal elves and two great dragons.


Naaw, just about Denairastas.
Gotcha.
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« Reply #21 on: <09-19-14/0506:38> »
But the corps, especially but not exclusively Aztechnology being the biggest threat, may or may not have something that was beyond the scope of metahuman and draconic knowledge in the Fourth World: The DNA of immortal elves and two great dragons.

Hmm.  Something in the way you said that makes the back of my brain simmer.  Hmmm.  I think ... I think I need to take another look at a couple of things.
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« Reply #22 on: <09-19-14/1135:42> »
But the corps, especially but not exclusively Aztechnology being the biggest threat, may or may not have something that was beyond the scope of metahuman and draconic knowledge in the Fourth World: The DNA of immortal elves and two great dragons.

Oh man. That's... I had not thought about that. Damn.

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« Reply #23 on: <09-19-14/1544:02> »

But the corps, especially but not exclusively Aztechnology being the biggest threat, may or may not have something that was beyond the scope of metahuman and draconic knowledge in the Fourth World: The DNA of immortal elves and two great dragons.

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« Reply #24 on: <09-19-14/1617:15> »
Exactly.

As the early 21st century poet Hilary Duff asked, "Why not?"

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« Reply #25 on: <09-23-14/0733:14> »
I like to think that (meta)humanity's got some spark to it.

There are a decent amount of innovations that 4th Age magic had no concept of. Cyberzombies are an exclusively 6th World issue, because there wasn't the technology for it previously. We can speculate that this part of the reason why Harlequin had hope for the future, when Tech and Magic had progressed enough to defeat the Horrors, but I guess we'll never see that awesome RPG.

I seem to recall that there were other surprised for 4th Age practitioners in SR Lore, but I can't remember them now.

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« Reply #26 on: <09-23-14/0810:07> »
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« Reply #28 on: <09-23-14/1253:52> »
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Ever and anon.
Also Harlequin was much impressed by the Bucket Burgers in the SRR Anthology as I recall. :P
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« Reply #29 on: <09-25-14/0752:19> »
My personal theory is that he (and his old clan of long-lived humans) has ties to the Black Lodge, but IIRC there's never really even been official teasers/hints in that direction.  It just makes sense to me, in the "long-lived humans, no elves allowed," sort of club of uber-magicians the BL has grown to be.

I agree with Critias that the Denairastas clan is most likely behind the Black Lodge. It makes sense, since they have always been high level initiate types with seemingly much more knowledge than they ought to be able to have given the 'no elves' policy, and the fact that the 'official' dragons are not big on sharing secrets with the Young Races. The Black Lodge also supposedly originated somewhere in central Europe, which is (roughly) the area where Iopos was during Earthdawn's time. Also, the organization goes up (as far as we know) to a 'Penultimate Master', suggesting that there is an Ultimate Master out there.

As far as the dragonslayer orders, my personal opinion is that they are descended from the Therans. While the Denairastas might have nudged them along and perhaps helped behind the scenes, the dragonslayer orders are simply too blatant and open for it to be the work of the Outcast.

Maybe . . . . just maybe . . . the Black Lodge has (or had) a subordinate organisation of designated hitters, word of which could spread in the shadows in, say, a format like one of the 10 Mercs write-ups. Probably not a standalone product though.

And as for the Denairastas - numerous family lines, properties and fortunes 'disappeared' during a distinct period - see Clutch of Dragons and a few other books. Dragon Civil War-related - maybe. But just suppose . . .

 

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