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No spell creation rules for 5E?

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Rallen12

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« on: <10-03-14/2342:58> »
I can't find it anywhere in street magic or core, if it's there, where is it?

Also have you guys figured out any ways to circumvent the no teleportation rule?

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« Reply #1 on: <10-04-14/0023:06> »
There aren't any spell creation rules in SR5 (yet?)

And teleportation magic has never existed in SR and as far as I know not in Earthdawn either so the only way to be transported would be with levitation or spirit aid
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« Reply #2 on: <10-04-14/0122:03> »
Also have you guys figured out any ways to circumvent the no teleportation rule?

Pixel gave the right answer to this, but I'm curious about why you'd want to circumvent the no teleportation rule.
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« Reply #3 on: <10-04-14/0145:18> »
Well, there is the whole "enter-astral-physically-and-travel-at-ludicrous-speed" thing, that's the closest it gets. But that's a high-end power/spell/whatever from Earthdawn, unavailable to PCs. Or even most NPCs. Harlequin and Ehran both used it after their duel in "Harlequin".

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« Reply #4 on: <10-04-14/0945:50> »
Yeah, there were a few really high level spells in Earthdawn that allowed you to bodily enter the astral, and move around the world at Astral speeds. But those were the equivalent of 8th or 9th level spells in D&D. The mana levels are still too low for such spells to work for anyone that wasn't present in the 4th world, to be honest. Even if the kids of some of the IEs learned those spells, it is hit or miss whether they'd be able to pull them off.

To continue with the D&D analogy, Shadowrun is a world where the spells cap out at 3rd or MAYBE 4th level spells. The other spells just haven't been (re)discovered yet, and there's not enough mana to use them unless you are a dragon or immortal elf.
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« Reply #5 on: <10-04-14/2140:34> »
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« Reply #6 on: <10-05-14/2359:43> »
I do feel there needs to be a spell creation guide in this edition, like there was in 4th.

I haven't looked at it yet, but it might be able to be crossover with a little work.
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« Reply #7 on: <10-06-14/0147:38> »
I do feel there needs to be a spell creation guide in this edition, like there was in 4th.

I haven't looked at it yet, but it might be able to be crossover with a little work.

In Rules and Such, I did a cross-over of the spell creation rules (more to fix the current broken drain values than anything else), with input from people with more experience doing the math. 
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« Reply #8 on: <10-06-14/1121:36> »
Broken drain values, you say? Do tell me more, good sir!
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« Reply #9 on: <10-06-14/1126:19> »
Hm? What's this about broken drain values prismite? Is this before or after the errata?
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« Reply #10 on: <10-06-14/1705:19> »
Hm? What's this about broken drain values prismite? Is this before or after the errata?

Neither, as far as I know. I was commenting on MijRai's last post:

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In Rules and Such, I did a cross-over of the spell creation rules (more to fix the current broken drain values than anything else), with input from people with more experience doing the math.

I am curious as to why he felt them broke AND how he fixed them.
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« Reply #11 on: <10-06-14/1719:54> »
Ah, that explains it. I kinda completely tune out invisible posts. ^_^'
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« Reply #12 on: <10-06-14/1756:19> »
Hm? What's this about broken drain values prismite? Is this before or after the errata?

Neither, as far as I know. I was commenting on MijRai's last post:

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In Rules and Such, I did a cross-over of the spell creation rules (more to fix the current broken drain values than anything else), with input from people with more experience doing the math.

I am curious as to why he felt them broke AND how he fixed them.

If you couldn't tell, Chandra there took offense to me disagreeing with him on a point in a previous discussion, insulted me in a private message, and then blocked me without giving me a chance to clarify the situation.  Don't worry about it, it's his problem, not mine.

Anyways, I, like others, felt they were broken due to balance concerns; things like Ball Lightning compared to Blast (on 284, Fireball is in the same boat as Ball Lightning, by the by); Ball Lightning does Force Physical damage with Electricity as the element for Force-1 Drain, compared to Blast, which does Stun damage and no Elemental effect at Force Drain.  Meanwhile, both of the single-target LOS versions of those spells have Force-3 Drain.  I don't have any other examples come to mind right now, although it is discussed (like I mentioned) in multiple threads in Rules and Such. 

As far a how I 'fixed' the issue, I looked back to 4th Edition, took the spell-creation table, brought it over and adjusted the numbers for 5th Edition; Direct spells became weaker than Indirect, so they got a discount, for example.  Here's the link, along with the discussion and input from other forum-goers who helped me out in balancing things.  http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=17407.msg307453#msg307453 
It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing, and it works for making your own spells.
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« Reply #13 on: <10-06-14/1858:16> »
If you couldn't tell, Chandra there took offense to me disagreeing with him on a point in a previous discussion, insulted me in a private message, and then blocked me without giving me a chance to clarify the situation.  Don't worry about it, it's his problem, not mine.
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« Reply #14 on: <10-06-14/1953:32> »
While Michael has a temper, he doesn't do anything as petty as blocking people because they disagree with him, or falsely accusing them of doing so to him when he knows they don't read his posts and won't notice the false accusation.

He's petty enough to block someone after insulting them rather than let the person explain themselves.  And he just said my post is invisible; that suggests he blocked it, since he didn't check for context on what the other person said.  It's not a false accusation. 

Ah, that explains it. I kinda completely tune out invisible posts. ^_^'

Here's the post I'm referring to, in case you missed what he said. 
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