[Angelone]

For us  'I Con the gangers into letting us pass' = not even trying.
We equate that as being equal to a street sam thinking that "I kill everyone in the room" rolls pistols once suffices.

What would be trying for your group? Say for a face trying to enter a club, a sammy trying to shot someone, and a rigger trying to evade pursuit in a chase?

Those are 3 very different concepts with multitudes of different answers.
But to humor everyone here who thinks they are exactly the same thing.

The Face trying to enter a club needs information.  Who owns the club, what is the doorman's name, does the doorman like sports, does he have debts, does the doorman have any issues that could be used a leverage, have any family.  Does the club have any issues that can be used as leverage, how much does the doorman need as a bribe to get in, is there a VIP list that the face can get on, and so on and so forth.
With all of this extra work to get inside the club why make it just 'I Con the doorman into letting us pass' is what I can't fathom.  But anyways.
After the team has gotten as much information as they can to help the Face get inside.  It is up to the Face to use all of the relevant information in a roleplaying(i.e talking in character) 'scene'  There can be multiple die rolls by the Face, trying spot something, assessing the emotional state of the mark, etc. during that 'scene'
If your group doesn't do these things, for whatever reasons, fine  'I Con the doorman into letting us pass' rolls dice is perfectly acceptable.

Is the face expected to get this information by him/herself? The team's hacker can get a good chunk of it. I asked about the other archtypes because I'm curious about how in-depth your group handles them. Let's go with the hacker though, how deep do you get into data searches? Does the hacker have to ask a specific question and then roll for the result of it then go on from there? For example say the do a data search on "Rikki Tikki's Tavern" what do they get? An address? Reviews? News articles about the time the naga escaped?

[Namikaze]

How many times has the line or variation of "penalizing players for not being drama school graduates", even after my refuting of that, been dropped?

Yet I have to show respect?

It's like their, how was that said.... do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.

People in this thread have respected your opinion.  And listened to you.  And tried to understand, even when understanding was difficult.  And after all that, you're still saying things like

But to humor everyone here who thinks they are exactly the same thing.

why make it just 'I Con the doorman into letting us pass' is what I can't fathom.  But anyways.

If your group doesn't do these things, for whatever reasons, fine  'I Con the doorman into letting us pass' rolls dice is perfectly acceptable.

All of which belie a tone of sarcastic indignation.  You're not a martyr here, Sipowitz - we're all here on the side of understanding each other.  Or at least, that's the presumption we should all be acting on until proven otherwise.  When someone doesn't understand what you're talking about and asks for a follow-up, that's not insulting or indignant.  All I'm asking is that we all remember to treat each other with the respect that we wish to be given.

[Sipowitz]

Gonna take 8-bit's advice and walk away.